Backyard Aquaponics
A place to discuss aquaponics

[font=Times New Roman] I am seeking to contact individuals who would be interested in creating a consortium. The purpose would be to apply for Grants, Government and Private, to purchase land (lots of it) and equipment (lots of that to) to set up an aquaponics farm to raise the most profitable crop of fish (more than one species if practical) and whatever we can come up with as the most profitable plants to cultivate, Genovese Basil, tomatoes, Coco Plants (that for chocolate) or whatever research and the market demands and pays the most. With the concentrated effort of the members it could possibly turn out to be one of if not the largest production effort of it's kind in Florida.

1 % inspiration, 99 perspiration. I've got a lot of both. I have raised
tropical fish of all species for over 40 years (raised Mozambique Tilapia back in the 60s), Oscars, Angels, Betas, Butterfly Koi, Red Cap Oranda goldfish, you name it, and I have probably had at least one pair of breeders working at any given time. If you've got the time and the spirit to accomplish and finish what you start, let's get together and get something working.

I see no reason to set a limit on the number of individuals to be involved. I have always believed that man is only limited by his imagination, so don't forget to bring yours and no matter what your sheep skin on the wall says, please put on your work clothes because, even though we need people with intelligence, you have to also be willing to get your hands dirty at least in the beginning. Let me hear all your thoughts. Codi O'Brian
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Sounds wonderful Codi.... and welcome....

But before you go setting up your "mega" farm or asking people to help set it up for you/with you.....

Perhaps you should show us your Aquaponics system and demonstrate the experience(s) you've had along the aquaponics road.

Yo man!

Did you really have to post that in every single sub-forum?

I guess the low-post rate of the last few days has just balanced out!

Really. Let's see yours.

Did you have to cross post in every section?

It isn't what I know about Aquaponics that matters as much as it is what the combined knowledge of many can be. As for why I posted it everywhere.....I know that usually when someone comes to a forum, they are looking for something in particular and do not usually look at all topics, so the best way to make sure you have the target covered is the shotgun effect. Put it everywhere. I am dead serious about this project and am only interested in working with people who have the vision to be able to see it as a completed project now even before it begins.


Abraham Lincoln also said "You may think a man a fool, but you won't know until he opens his mouth.

The best way to make sure you get the coverage you are seeking is the shotgun effect. Please don't think me rude, but I don't think anyone has forced you to read each post that I placed. My post was directed to those individuals who wish to contribute constructively. My Grandmother always told me "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. Seems as though, instead of ignoring that which you were not interested in, you have chosen to attack. I don't see that as being constructive. Do you have anything constructive to contribute from so far away?

Ok, before everyone, or anyone, gets off on the wrong foot, I'll explain the intention of my post.

Firstly, I did in a sense issue a challenge to Codi to reveal his experience(s) in aqauaponics for the following reasons...

As a "new" member you appeared and began posting the same post to multiple threads,

The same post was inserted to each thread essentially asking people to join an unannounced, unknown group/consortium with the purpose of investing in large amounts of land and equipment.....

While not specified, it smacked as a lead in to a concept of "please send us xxxx amount to indicate your acceptance of this prepoposal etc etc...

In short, (and no offence meant if you are genuine Codi) it had all the "hallmarks" of a spammer... and we do get quite a few here...

At the time no mods were available... to be up front I also "blueflagged" the posts to alert the mods to have them look at both the posts and membership.

As to comments about posting to multiple threads, while I perhaps see some logic to your approach Codi, it is already apparent that at least two threads have attracted replies, postitive or otherwise.

This is exactly the reason that the approach is flawed and counter-productive.... because differentr people post to different threads and/or confusion and cross-posts reign..... again to be upfront I have asked the mods ( and had thought that I had PM'd Codi directly) to delete all but one thread.

There is a dedicated "commercial" thread, so I think it would have been appropriate to investigate the forum, locate that thread and post it there accordingly.... this alone would have directed "anyone searching" for such a proposal directly to the appropriate area... see the portal page for a thread entitled "Commercial Systems" and the adjoining comments relating to the threads purpose...

http://backyardaquaponics.com/forum/index.php

As to asking that someone proposing to form some sort of commercial entity.... then yep I think it's entirely valid to ask that they reveal not only their intentions, but their expertise and/or commercial backing etc...

To allow commercial requests and advertising of commercial ventures on this board is an issue for the operators of the forum to comment on...

But if anyone is going to jump on the forum from anonimity to suggest forming a commercial venture which will require large amounts of funding ... then I think it is not only fair, but in a sense a duty of care to provide members of the forum with information of just who is involved and where/what/who backs them etc.

I'm not doing so DT, and neither are or have others..... those that might have in the past have been asked the same question....

And in all honesty DT, if I or someone turned up out of the blue and unannounced and asked you to commit to such a proposal, wouldn't you ask or attempt to find out what their expertise (if any) was before commiting yourself to the project and/or recommending it to others????

Whoa there Codi, you are the newcomer and I am sure the moderators will eliminate all but one of your posts as a matter of house keeping. What you have done by posting the same thing so many times is to:

1 Appear to be a spammer,

2 Make it difficult for anyone to monitor responses to your query as we would have to go to every one of your posts to see reaction to the thread,

3 By obviously not reading the threads that already exist on the forum about large scale commercial AP systems, you have given at least me the impression that your approach to AP is as you stated a "shotgun" approach. High on eagerness lacking in the area of what the majority of us here are all about. We are all about using and developing AP for the purpose of helping others, and providing for our families clean healthy food, while at the same time protecting the environment. We like to see large success stories about AP but there just aren't that many out there yet.

I for one am interested in hearing more about what you have to say, however, let's be nice. By the way you will find that most forum members are as you say "far away" Joel Malcolm, the founder and chief AP guru around here is in fact an Aussie and I dare say the majority of our members hale from Down Under.

Everyone is welcome here and as Rupert said on another thread, lets see your AP system so we can learn what you have done and you will find us all to be helpful chaps who will opine on just about any subject brought up here.

You got me wrong Rupe. I was agreeing with you. I just made several of those same points in a response to Codi on one of his other threads. When I said lets see yours, I was agreeing with you and chiming in "Really, lets see yours Cody."

Sorry for being misunderstood.

Just read that on another "consortium" thread DT.... it's all good and understood.....

Again to make sure it's understoood Codi, as DT says, I'm not in any way trying to dampen your enthusiasm if your intentions are genuine.

Still friends then? I'll be glad when the Mods clean things up a bit.

OK, you've apparently elected yourself the Sheriff but you should get your evidence straight before you start making arrest.

To begin with, I think if you would actually read my post, you should be able to get the drift that I am only interested in getting together with people in Florida, USA or it's bordering states not the downunders. Sorry, you're not invited.

Also, if you would read, you would see that I proposed that the money needed for the project would come from "Grants, Government and Private that are available to Americans.

Also if you would have read, my experience is there also:

I have raised tropical fish of all species for over 40 years (raised Mozambique Tilapia back in the 60s), Oscars, Angels, Betas, Butterfly Koi, Red Cap Oranda goldfish, you name it, and I have probably had at least one pair of breeders working at any given time.

Also this is not a commercial advertisement. It was merely a posting to see if there were any who had the vision to see the possibilities by getting involved.

Look around Sheriff, someone might be robbing your piggybank while you are trying to re-read my post.

I am glad though, that you are familiar with Abraham Lincoln, I only wish you had his sense of justice and fair play and as I said in a previous post:

Abraham Lincoln also said "You may think a man a fool, but you won't know until he opens his mouth.

So Sheriff.....please get your facts straight before you start waving the blueflags at anyone.

Too late for that I asked a simple question.



Huh attack what attack.



In other words spam.
As others have stated lets see what you got after all this is the Members system`s thread.

Codi, the ability to "blueflag" a post is available to all and any member.

Yes, I did read your post and was aware that (while NOT specified) it was intended for members, presumably (but not necessarily exclusively) in Florida and possibly (but not specifically stated) the wider US of A or indeed Internationally.

I am quite happy to accept your "experience" regarding managing aquarium systems and aquarium breeding techniques.

I asked about your possible "aquaponics" experience because (from the collective experience of the members here) it has been found that there are substantail differences to managing aquarium systems and aquaponics systems and that specifically MANY of the approachs to managment of water quality and fish health employed in the aquarium trade ARE NOT applicable to aquaponics and indeed may actually result in fish DEATHS.

AS to whether or not what you proposed was a commercial advertisement, as I said I would leave that to the operators of the board (partly why I blueflagged and PM'd them).... but come on be real.... to purchase large amounts of land and equipment and to staff and manage such a venture, even if most of the capital asset purchase is by grants etc.... means that the intention and existance of the "consortium" is to be a profit making enterprise... a business.