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PostPosted: Nov 25th, '07, 14:56 
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Heres an Idea, make renewable energies Tax deductible.

We can't rely on a government to wave a magic wand and save this planet, you are naive to think so. It all comes down to us as individuals.


Now there's the sort of progressive view of the world and sort of ideas I'd be expecting from people of your age Tim. :D


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BK, tell me... Did the situation in Iraq effect your vote in any way? It was one of the big campaign promises. You can't deny this was a big and exploited issue.


timmy c i will tell you son....it had no influence on my vote and nor should it have....i dont go for the exploited bright n shiney shit...must go...the simpsons are on


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:lol:.... didn't take Turnbull long to clamber over the dead and dying bodies and out of the train wreck did it.....

You reckon little Johnnie was an arrogant one man band..... you watch this nasty little meglomaniac go over the next few years....

Couldn't be Australia's first President (when the Republic got voted down) so PM is the next best thing.....

Wouldn't trust this bloke as far as I could see him. :wink:


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lmao Rope, i heard it on the radio in the car n pissed myself ...atleast with costello he was too stupid to hide the fact that he is a slimey turd


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Tim, you're right, niether solar nor wind nor water power will support our current consumption. The sad thing is that many people feel the need to find the solution in using yet another unsustainable resource TO MEET OUR NEED.

Short story, we've had it to good for too long. We need to reduce our DEMAND. no more 44 square house with 37Kw of cooling.

NO, shutting down all our coal plants tomorrow is NOT the answer, but staged reductions in % of 1990 levels IS the way!

When they had a staged reduction in R-12 refrigerant levels did the industry shit itself? NO the developed alternatives.

Will the industry shit itself between now and 2015 when we have a progressive reduction to a 99% cut in R-22? NO we will find alternatives.

WHY? Because the vast majority of people need to be FORCED to act. if R-12 was still available would we have found a non CFC gas? yes, would people be using it? NO

same goes for carbon emissions.

This NEW fandangled quantum hot water heater (big words for heat pump) should have been in use from the day refrigeration was invented. was it? NO. why? becasue power was too damn cheap for people to give a shit about a 300% electrical to heat efficiency.

So if carbon taxes are required to FORCE people to act in a sustainable manner THEN SO BE IT.

I'm over banging my head against the wall, i'm going out to dry my clothes in the dryer on a 23C day so i can hasten the inevitable demise so we have nothing to argue about and will be forced to act.


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PostPosted: Nov 25th, '07, 15:51 
Yeah well, Costello would have been ringing around all last nite.....

Much to his surprise I think he was finely told in no uncertain terms that the majority of his fellow party members hated his guts and wouldn't vote for him if he stood....

Brendon Nelson might be the ultimate victor..... coz I don't think Turnbull is overly liked either.


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was Costello's final press conference an admission that he and bonzai had no new ideas for our future?


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they should have offered voters some fried chicken as a last resort, quoting how under a labour gov. you never got it.


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At least they offered the Iraqis "fries" with their regime change :D


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lol but seriously did anyone see it and think that? " is time to hand over "


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Well that was all very interesting.

My two cents worth

Unless there is serious reform of the Corporations and Banking Act nothing will change and your voting and mine was merely a minor inconvenience.

All right my one cents worth.


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PostPosted: Nov 25th, '07, 20:20 
Whoaoaaaa.... absolutely right Sleepe....

Every bank CEO should be held accountable and charged with some sort of criminal neglect and fraud over the lending practices throughout the last decade.....

And now, on top of all their fees and charges to announce that they will probably raise interest rates themselves to cover their boodgie lending practices and criminal neglect is surely the greatest insult.

OK. I've got to go back a fair few years.... but this is what I got taught in Economics 101.....

The creation of wealth without the creation of any fundamental physical production is a root cause of inflation....

ie .... the printing of money..... the issuing of credit etc....

{Worth a read....} http://www.futurecasts.com/Understandin ... ation.html

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Monetary inflation is actually a tax by which government - by expanding the money supply - transfers wealth from its people to itself. Indeed, inflation is perhaps the most destructive tax that can be imposed - but unfortunately it is the easiest one for a government to impose on its people. It also results in the transfer of enormous amounts of wealth from the hands of ordinary people to the hands of those speculators shrewd enough to take advantage of the price volatility inflation causes in the markets.


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"Monetary inflation" is simply the artificial expansion of the money supply, and is historically the primary engine of inflation. It pleasantly enables demand to increase before any increase is produced in supply.


We have fueled an economic boom based on the capacity to pay by credit.....

We have purchased real physical production with "virtual" money.....

If the banks or the system were to implode to the point that debt repayment was required to physically pay for the credit extended....

There wouldn't be enough "physical" money available within the system to actually meet the demand/requirements.....

We'd have to print money... and wheel it around in a wheelbarrow.....

History has seen this happen in individual countries, but we are now at a stage where the entire global banking system is bankrupt.

To cover their backsides the banks will make us pay with what real hard currency we've got.... and will suck harder than a vampire...

IMHO.... it is the banks themselves rather than just the government who have been responsible for the "monetary inflation" of the last decade.....

And I think it's coming home to roost.


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Mmm... interesting Rupe.


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Also what stops someone from voting more than once? My electorate has 20 or more voting centers, what stops someone from going to all of them? They don't know who you voted for so are your votes still counted?


Partly correct Tim, but put a little thought into it

1. It is compulsory to vote
2. Your name is crossed off the duplicate roll at the poll when you go to vote
3. ALL rolls are collated to check for non voters - they are also checked for multiple voters and the votes registered to ppl that have died
4. There are penalties for non voters without a valid excuse - multiple voters penalties would be more excessive
5. If the extra votes would cause some doubt in to the winner then a re-election would take place :D

So Tim - Yes you could make multiple votes on the day - but consider the consequences


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We have fueled an economic boom based on the capacity to pay by credit.....

Last week we were told by the Labor lot that the economic boom was due to the resources boom. Are we now to believe that is not true?

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atleast with costello he was too stupid to hide the fact that he is a slimey turd


Very educated and well thought out statement.


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