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 Post subject: Re: Bugs
PostPosted: Sep 21st, '17, 07:19 
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Although pyrethrins are quickly metabolized by birds and most mammals, fish and aquatic invertebrates lack the ability to metabolize these compounds, leading to a toxic accumulation of byproducts.[25] To combat the accumulation of pyrethroids in bodies of water, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has introduced two labeling initiatives. The Environmental Hazard and General Labeling for Pyrethroid and Synergized Pyrethrins Non-Agricultural Outdoor Products was revised in 2013 to reduce runoff into bodies of water after use in residential, commercial, institutional, and industrial areas.[32] The Pyrethroid Spray Drift Initiative updated language for labeling all pyrethroid products to be used on agricultural crops.[32] Because of its high toxicity to fish and aquatic invertebrates even at low doses, the EPA recommends alternatives such as pesticide-free methods or alternative chemicals that are less harmful to the surrounding aquatic environment.[33]


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 Post subject: Re: Bugs
PostPosted: Sep 21st, '17, 12:41 
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Thanks Yavimaya, it's pretty toxic stuff.


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PostPosted: Sep 21st, '17, 15:07 
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I got rid of most of the aphids on the cabbages with the Neem Oil but found that when used on the Broccoli it caused the leaves to shrivel and die as though they got sun burnt. I need to do follow up mini sprays to get the ones that where hiding or arrived later.
What time of day did you spray Pete?... I've never seen or heard of that happening, but I've nearly always sprayed very late in the afternoon, or occasionally very early in the morning if the type of pest dictates that approach. I prefer late arvo spraying because: (a). I'm not a "sparrows fart" person, and (b). Spraying in the early morning with oil based products can still go pear shaped if it turns into a very warm day.

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PostPosted: Sep 21st, '17, 15:57 
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Me neither, somewhere between 10 and 4pm. Although as you've said they congregate on the stems so I'm now ignoring the few on the leaves and targeting the ones on the stems with a pointier spray to help avoid getting the leaves wet.


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PostPosted: Sep 21st, '17, 18:43 
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I have bought lady better from these guys many times. As Boss stated they don't hang around. I did have a vacant block behind me and when the grass got very long there would be thousands of lady better in there which helped a lot at times. But also a few snakes and with little takers in tow at the time we couldn't allow for that.

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PostPosted: Sep 22nd, '17, 12:28 
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Wow they are expensive about $1.10 each!!
Next time I see one I'll inform it of its monetry worth.


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PostPosted: Sep 22nd, '17, 17:03 
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>> Next time I see one I'll inform it of its monetry worth.

next time I see one I wont let it fly away.... put it in a cage and sell it on eBay...


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PostPosted: Sep 26th, '17, 07:23 
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Ha....

Another chemical free way to reduce their numbers is to squish them by massaging the stems and leaves. I thought about a micro vacuum but squishing is faster.


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PostPosted: Sep 30th, '17, 17:20 
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Creating "Aphid Oil" by massaging the populated areas of the leaves and stems has proved viable as I need to identify locations anyway so while I'm there I may as well squish em. Also they tend to curl the leaves as hid themselves so gently opening the leaf and squishing the little uckers can save the leaf.
There is no odour or stickyness associated with the process it just feels like I'm popping tiny rice bubbles and liberating water.


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PostPosted: Jan 10th, '18, 22:16 
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def aphids.

beyond neem oil, there are proactive ways to hamper them.

I am trying to grow a nasturtium plant for next season... 2 reasons

1) they act as natural aphid traps - aphids are very attracted to them, and will congregate on them automatically. then, it's a matter of pulling out the effected plant stalk!

2) the flowers, and leaves, are edible! they make a great garnish for salads, and some baked goods. nasturtium flowers have a peppery taste. plus, they look amazing


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PostPosted: Jan 11th, '18, 06:05 
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Yeah... :cry: I lost the battle last spring.


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PostPosted: Jan 11th, '18, 22:52 
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Ouch!

try some nasturtiums around the perimeter of your setup, it should keep them off the AP plants!

BTW - I really like your setup in that display pic!


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PostPosted: Jan 12th, '18, 09:24 
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Something I have noticed is that my english spinach seems to attract a lot of lady beetles.
I will have to have a closer look and see if there are aphids there as well or they just like spinach.


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I use Dr Earth spray. It's an organic garlic-pepper type spray that worked well for me last season. I don't have to be so careful like with neem oil.


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PostPosted: Jan 13th, '18, 05:25 
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