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Just received a text from Eric. He will need some dental surgery, but otherwise should recover. They were worried about a broken jaw, but that wasn't the case. He's still pissed that the guys who jumped them won't face charges, even though the cops said they had done the "same thing 3-4 times before." He needs to get the hell out of that neighborhood before he gets killed.

so much truth in that.. I'm not one for quoting the whole block, but this summer up my thoughts..
I DO believe that the situation has gone TOO FAR in the US, and it can never be reversed, and what the conspiracy theorista suggest, is the only answer... ie. Where the military will become the Police Men of the nation..

To remove the right to bare arms would make the US like Australia, ie.. where the badies are armed and the goodies have base-ball-bats.

For the US, the real issue would seem to be that the real badies ie. The would-be terrorists ... have serious military weapons that inflict maximum damage.. you don't need C4 when you have o.762..

And.. the problem for the US must be that the cops would be reluctant to do their job, as they must surely scared to enter ANY area where both the goodies and the badies waiting to shoot..

CHRIS.. I feel for you, and agree that you just have to take precautions and cover all bases.. and live the lives you have, and think that it is far better than so many others in this world

GOD HELP the USA, if civil calamity ever breaks out.. eg.. a massive natural disaster, as those movies will be the reality..
you will need many more converted WalMarts..
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Hi Coach,

I agree that if your mate had his gun it could have turned out different, but what if they had the jump on him and then while beating him found he was armed and took his gun?

He may not be around today. If they have no issue beating up people 4-5 times, it is only a matter of time before they progress to something worse, and providing them with a gun would be that time, I would bet.

Also, you keep mentioning that we are an "Island nation". While true, we are just under 1/3 the size of North America, so if anything, it means that there is a lot more border that is and cannot be controlled.

Having said that, Sleepe is right. There is far too much emotion in this thread, and I think we should all shake hands and agree to disagree. We do not live in your world, and you do not live in ours, so none of us will be able to agree on the others' point (unless there is someone who has lived in both places for a large amount of time.)

Here is a timely article to fuel the fire for all:
http://www.theage.com.au/world/your-gun ... iaqal.html

Guns are not the problem its the fru;'ing dickheads that have them
If a bloke ever waved a gun in my face he would never father any more children

After reading that article the thing that I found scary is that with our new free trade agreements you just don't know what might eventuate. Could we possibly have gun companies or the NRA suing the Australian government over our firearm laws..

Apart from that.. The article sums up with.



But yes as I said back at the start, this topic has been done before a few times on the forum and never really goes anywhere..

And I think that is my feeling.. nothing will ever change the problem in the US, because there will always be guns..
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If you're a burglar and expect the home owner to have a gun, you'll probably take one with you to protect yourself against the home owner. If nobody is allowed to have a gun or access to it, problem reduced to heavy criminals and governments.

Heavy criminals are not interested in you and me, governments can be controlled by you and me by voting for the right people/parties.

American society is mentally ill and no gun or control is going to make that go away. Exceptions taken into account, maybe it's time for Americans to start using their brain and abandon their culture of violence and ignorance?

Just a thought…..

While I will give you American society has degraded over the last few generations, I look around the world and see people cutting each other's head's off, killing/raping children, allowing millions to live in poverty, starvation, and similar issues. i don't see the problems as an American problem only.

I hope you don't truly believe that. Even if you and your friends vote for the "right people" it doesn't stop everyone else from voting for the wrong ones. Even with our 2nd amendment we've largely lost control of our government.



There is nothing wrong or violent about guns themselves, and while it's usually the mentally ill who commit mass shootings it's the "vocal minority" of criminals that are the biggest problem. Like I said previously the large majority in my area have guns and the police don't live in fear of us, usually they just ask if you have anything cool. How can the criminal element be solved without taxing everyone to death or violating peoples' rights? Nobody seems to have the answer to that yet. Prison doesn't seem to be the answer since people who go in for even minor offenses tend to come out worse than they went in. Should we give criminals big screen TVs, xboxes, a steady supply of drugs, and spending cash to appease them? Definitely not.

I've seen at least one Aussie say "it's OK they are breaking in they just want the TV", after your deductible do you even get a dime from the insurance company for that? How many break-ins before your premium goes up? What if they see your hot wife or daughter and decide to take things further? They have a knife/baseball bat/board with a nail in it and you have a phone with people 10+ minutes out to come help you. That "eh, it's fine, I'll just call the police" mentality just doesn't fly in real life. Sure, 99% of the time they'll just take the TV and leave; but do you really want your family to be in 1% and you just have to sit there and watch whatever happens happen?

Yes, the police that I know and talk with don't fear citizens with LEGAL guns who are trained(at least to a certain degree). They fear criminals with ILLEGAL guns.

LowCarbTNPer- No, they don't understand real life situations. Even after I explained 4-5 that have happened to me or close friends/employees, it's still same- "Just call the police" and "let them have your TV. "

The problem is not the guns, the problem is the criminals with the guns. Now, if only criminals followed the gun laws already in place. Oh, but then, they wouldn't be criminals, would they.

Ignorance is expecting criminals to obey gun laws, or not allowing law abiding citizens the right to protect themselves from these same. There is a lot of anti police rhetoric over here now. One of my cop buddies wears a shirt (off duty), that says: next time you need help< call a crackhead. This same gentleman (20 years on the force) tells me all the time how he wished more people would arm themselves. He has had to explain to family members how their spouse, kids, parents were killed in a robbery gone bad. Would it have made a difference? I can't tell you the answer, but I can tell you they would possibly still be alive if they had chose to defend themselves rather then hope that something doesn't happen.

Our sheriff is a strong 2nd Amendment proponent, and he deals with the gun threats on his officers on a daily basis. This is not a "big city", but a county of appx 500,000 where we've see the murder rate go from single digits in the 80-2000's to around 30. the same increase with armed robberies and home invasions. I have no idea how that compares to where you guys live, I do know that things have gotten worse in this area. You call the police. I'll take my chances on my dog and guns, and then call the police. It's worked pretty good so far.

Sorry for the spelling grammar mistakes. I'm doing invoices, proposals, and typing out emails while doing this. Not a great multitasker.

Aaaah I see where this has come from, http://www.9news.com.au/world/2015/07/13/12/51/nras-attack-on-australian-gun-laws-off-target

Off target...

And now I think we should let the subject rest before someone gets poked in the eye......

Or they twitter or tweet each other to death.

Or send them on a tour of Armadale eh Sleepe.

Poke in the eye! Crikey! I'm going back outside to aimlessly wander around my ap system then....