Backyard Aquaponics
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Yes you have to read the whole study in particular the methods.

Manure is regularly applied to lettuce and other leafy crops in some organic operations when small but not before harvest.

Seriously though the levels of E. coli contamination on so many household and public surfaces is huge compared to "wild" situations the counts are seriously high.

Don't get me started on chopping boards and dish cloths

PS.. what I find annoying is that folk can take this study and extrapolate out to all flights of situations..

Please take no offense.. but

I would seriously love to see a finding suggesting that eColi can actually absorb into the plant.. via the roots
until I see that proof, then the watering of lettuce does not count..

As the bride said .... Derrrrr .. who would be so stupid as to water a lettuce with contaminated water..
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No such things as proof in science.

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And literally saying, eating sh1t can be dangerous, is neither science nor remarkable... just bloody obvious...
That paper was NOT science... pure justification for someone's job... a *sigh*!...... "Publish or Perish junk"

If slugs can be found in lettuce, then imangine the contamination from sewer water..

And then there is the other side of the story, where that Asian Farmer waters over his produce with humonia and customers don't die...
NO.... I don't want to even touch that produce .... YUCK..!

It's a bit like this Ebola stuff, scaring the world... demanding attention... and yet ENTEROVIRUS D-68 killed five and paralyzed 10 in the USA and the authorities don't even talk about it.
Mind you, they are saying that Ebola has gone Airborne ... yes .. a bit OT..
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OKAY OKAY, it's starting to get hot and off topic in here...
this is a forum, not a debate, I remind you.

Sir Stuart and Sir BuiDoi, you two may continue in your own time please

we're just here to discuss if other animals' contribution would be applicable, and we found out its not. so that's that.

Oh you are so new to this forum.

I'd disagree with that. One of the great things about good science is that asumptions are tested. Scientists often cop a lot of stihck for investigating things they should have known because they were "obvious" but every now and then they find something that is completely counter intuitive. Something that goes against all our common sense and is absolutely surprising that we wouldn't have known if it hadn't been tested.

The research in question may not have been well concieved but saying that it was crap science because the conclusion was obvious is not a valid criticism.

I am~

One of the best aspects of science has always been its readiness to admit when it got something wrong. Theories are constantly being refigured, and new research frequently renders old ideas outdated or incomplete.

Are you kidding me?

Scientists are just people and they hate admitting they are wrong just like everyone else. Science history is littered with examples where new evidence contradicted current theory. It is a regular occurrence in scientific circles that people who provide contradictory evidence are pilloried mercilessly. Presenting a paper that contradicts the work of others is not for the faint hearted.

Welcome to the forum.

We are a crazy bunch and one of the things we are not good at as a community is keeping threads organised and on topic. It drives me nuts sometimes but then sometimes I do it myself Mind you I do try and let others derail a thread before I push it into the next state

On the big plus side things generally stay good natured with only the occaisional flaring of bad feeling or temper that serves to remind us how amicable things generally are.

Well thats where we will have to disagree.. Intuitively, I would think that a pathogen could not be absorbed via the roots to the leaves or fruit of a plant.

The fact that they watered the plants with those pathogenic water proved nothing more that the bleeding obvious, and destroyed the whole outcome..

I still don't know that uptake via the roots is possible ... pouring crap over the top is dumb..
So again, they wasted their time, and our confidence in THIR science..



That is the problem.. this poor SCIENCE has proved absolutely nothing...
The quest now, is how can you utilize other manures, in a practical way.. As I said, I am using goat poo in the worm farm and using the juice in that AP system..
I would think that you could readily bin the additives, and soak it for a good time, to make a similar tea..
Obviously, don't water over plants, and reading between the lines, if salt is added to the water, then could we expect some sterilisation ....
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