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Now this is a story, all about how my gardening got flipped-turned outside in and I'd like to take a minute just sit right there I'll tell you how I became the guy with a garden in his basement.

After researching aquaponics for a couple days (now I'm an expert, right?), I decided to try it in my basement. Wouldn't make much sense to start one outside if I want to grow through winter, I live in town and rent my house with not much lawn, so a greenhouse is out of the question. I nabbed a 50 gallon tote from Lowe's and a small feed trough from a local feed store after destroying several plastic totes that I intended to use as grow beds (that plastic is so brittle). I was impatient, so instead of ordering a pump online, I originally bought a sump pump, which turned out to be extremely loud, the motor sat outside of the water, and was way too much for what I needed, both in gph and $$. I instead realized that Lowe's has fountain pumps, which are significantly cheaper, and actually designed for this type of thing (100 gph as opposed to 800 or so, and $20 vs $90). I put together my first system, threw in a few plants from my garden, and dumped in a bunch of goldfish.
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A few things I learned: you need a lot more gravel than you think, and cycling with fish is bad for the fish. I killed off probably 15 fish in the next couple weeks. I'm currently sitting at 14 tiny ones, that seem to be quite content now.
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This is the grow bed a couple weeks ago. Cut some of the lettuce for the fajitas we made for dinner. The cantaloupe was an experiment, which I realize was a bad idea. Being a plant that needs pollination, hand-pollinating is a pain, and I have yet to get any of the flowers to turn into fruit, as well as the fact that the plant is huge in terms of length. I've also bumped up the lights from the original setup, and have a 6-bulb T8 4' system hanging a little less than a foot from the plants.

I decided that this wasn't enough, and a few weeks ago I decided that I wanted to grow strawberries as well as lettuce primarily, and also move on to raising fish I could one day eat. So I set out to set up a new system. If only I knew back then the trouble that I would have to go through to get everything set up. Originally my plan was to go with some 55 gallon barrels, and have two of those systems set up (2 FTs with 4 GBs). But in my searches online for cheap supplies, I found a guy selling an IBC tote for $35. Um, yes please. So I picked up said tote and 2 55 gallon barrels (to balance out my FT/GB ratio).

Looking back now, I should have stuck with the barrels only. First of all, IBC totes are pretty amazing for Aquaponics. The drain at the bottom is great for washing them out initially or later, the metal cage is great, the plastic base/stand is excellent for keeping it up off the cement floor, and the size is just right for a decent starter FT where I can actually have real fish. But for my case, the size was too much. The room in my basement had some rotting wood that the previous tenants had left in (my personal opinion is that they were growing something down there as well, but nothing legal), which required ripping out. That was a couple hours. Next, I couldn't fit the bottom part of the IBC tote through the opening into the room. The entrance to the room is right next to the stairs, and you have to duck to get into the room. Even with how flexible the plastic of the IBC is, I could not wedge it through the space. Being determined, I basically took apart the wall that was between the stairs and the room so I could get the tote through. Getting the cage through was another chore. I had to first take my back door off the frame to fit it through (because cutting through the metal once was annoying enough, I wasn't about to do it all over again just to trim a couple inches off). Then I had to very strategically wiggle it through the opened up wall (read: hit it with a hammer and judicial use of a crow-bar).

After that, there was the figuring out how to arrange the entire system. Probably something I should have done beforehand. Oops. Got a general plan laid out, and went to work. The barrels were a pain to figure out, because there isn't a lot of space where everything is, and the wall slants into the room for about a foot at the floor, so supporting the weight cheaply was a process. In the end, a bunch of cinder blocks were used, along with a 2x10. At one point, I had a barrel hanging from the floor joists by rope, but decided that was a little too risky and unstable.
Initially I tried to get away with not using any ball valves, and just adjusting flow rates by raising/lowering the ends of the supply tubes, but that proved quite the hassle. 3 $2 ball valves later, and the system finally was set up. Also put up the 4 bulb, 4' T5 lights that I got from Amazon for $75.
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Lessons learned from this build: Plan more. In hindsight, the 55 gallon barrels would be better. Always buy more media than you think you'll need. I bought 10 bags initially, until I did the math and discovered I actually needed 30. #18 O-rings are your friend. Just because the high school aged employee at Lowe's says they don't have any O-rings for 3/4" PVC, ignore him. I tried using rubber washers that I had to cut to size. That was a pain, a waste of time, and a waste of money. For the gravel guards, 4" PVC is significantly more expensive than the smaller sizes. The big black pipes that they sell are like $4 for 10 ft, and the one I bought already had cuts in it, so I didn't have to do anything but cut them with scissors to 1 ft lengths, and then the excess makes for great fish hiding spots.

I plan to stock this system with Trout soon. Right now it's on the warm end of their water temps (sitting around 72-74), but the system is still cycling, and it should start getting cooler soon.

Some goals for the future:
-Finish wiring the room. Right now most of the power is being run into the basement by a long extension cord that is on the same circuit as my washer. I installed a new circuit breaker, but only one of the 3 outlets I hooked up works, so I need to get the other two working.
-Currently playing around with raising some worms, there are a couple of totes under the table with dirt, vegetable compost, and two different types of worms from a bait shop. Would like to be able to supplement the fish food with real worms, I've heard it improves the fish taste.
-Be more efficient with the outside light. The window behind the IBC tote is south facing, so it gets a decent amount of sunlight. During the night, I have to block the window so my neighbors don't get pissed off (it shines right at their back deck), but during the day I'm considering placing something reflective at an angle outside to reflect more light into the grow room, and possibly putting up some cheap plywood painted white or reflective plastic around the grow beds to collect more natural light (because electricity is expensive, and I am but a poor college student). Anyone have any experience with this or thoughts/tips/advice?
-I plan to keep both systems running separate, with the first, smaller system as a "testing grounds" for plants, and the IBC tote and barrels for specific crops in larger quantities.


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Lessons learned from this past week: the clear visible hose that I was using for my pump has suddenly taken an interest in exploring my basement. 3 times I found my water level at about an inch and all my goldfish gasping for air. Luckily my goldfish are troopers, and they have recovered. Getting enough de-chlorinated water in fast enough wasn't easy, but luckily I'm in the slow process of doing a water change for my 175 gallon IBC FT using 5 gallon buckets, so I already had water sitting out.
I have wanted to stock my IBC FT with minnows, but the 3 dozen I night from the bait shop stopped so fast even the flies were impressed. Went down to the local conservation area creek with a minnow trap and a net, didn't net anything, though my trap got me two minnows of different types and about a 3 foot copper head snake. I let the snake go, obviously. Also nabbed a crawfish, though he died after a couple days, I don't think any food was making it down to him. Right now I have 2 goldfish and 2 minnows happily swimming around the IBC. Ammonia levels are dropping steadily, though the nitrite and nitrate levels are ridiculously high (hence the water changes). Lettuce is sprouting, and my strawberry roots are growing steadily.


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Welcome to the forum jaminjorma (although I see you have a few posts already). You've definitely caught the AP bug . Seems like just about everyone here has, now that I think about it :think: .

I'm pretty sure you'll be glad you have the IBC when it comes to raising food size fish. Make sure you figure your stocking rates based on the amount of filtration you have and the final grow out size of the fish. Fish kills aren't much fun.

A GFCI would be a good idea on the electrical to this area but have some backup aeration.

You might be able to extend you system through the basement window to the outside during the Summer and grow some more plants.

Early blooms don't always develop on melons. I used to have a system in my basement that was similar to this in some ways. Plants that grow tall or very wide will be tough but most leafy greens along with Basil and Peppers during certain seasons (unless the basement stays warm, then you can grow these all year).

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Putting GFCIs in would definitely be the best route. And I never actually thought of running pipes out the window, but that would be a good idea for next spring. Right now I'm just planning for winter though. I won't be stocking for a while, the set up ended up costing more than I expected (doesn't it always?), and I'm still waiting for it to fully cycle. I'll probably just move a bunch of my goldfish from the small system into the big one for now. The small one is probably over stocked anyhow.
I love having the IBC, but honestly the effort required to put it in was pretty ridiculous. When I move, I'm just going to cut the cage down the sides, and then probably use some big ratchet straps to put it back together, because there's no way I'm getting it *out* of the house in one piece.


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greetings from a "fan" of basement systems.. they can present their own special challenges.. good luck!


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10 days after planting my bare root strawberry plants, I've got my first flower. Huzzah! Realistically I should probably pinch it off to encourage plant growth instead of fruit growth, but I'm impatient and want to taste the fruits of my labor in the most literal way.

Also, added another 15 gallons of dechlorinated water to the IBC tank this morning, then checked the levels. Ammonia is near 0, Nitrite is at 0, and Nitrates are definitely there (using strips). Cycling is pretty well complete. Now if only I wasn't so close to being broke so I could go get some Trout. Oh well, they can wait a few weeks. Should probably get some more minnows though. The two that I gathered from the creek outside of town are getting along just fine with my two goldfish I have in there.


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Just to give you a little advance warning - Strawberries are very sensitive to salt concentration which makes them a bit more challenging than most plants in AP. The reason is that you sometimes need to salt for fish health and stress reasons (salting for diseases or for high nitrite levels for instance). Still people do succeed with strawberries but you should keep this in mind because you may have to make a choice on down the road.

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I've heard of that. So far my smaller system hasn't needed salt, and I don't have any in the IBC, but I've only been using goldfish so far. I'll have to cross that bridge when I come to it.


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A few updates on my system.
After failing epically with an attempt to use bait store minnows (apparently they keep their tanks at a pH of 6, I could stand in the store and watch the minnows die), I decided to catch my own. Didn't have any luck using a seine, but my minnow trap did manage to catch 3 minnows (all of different species) as well as about 5 small mouth bass over the course of 4 or 5 days. Even caught a 2' copperhead one time, but I let him go. Not sure about trying poisonoussnakeponics quite yet...

Also finally got around to wiring the grow room, so there are no more extension cords running from my laundry room down into the basement, huzzah! The next step is to rebuild the wall I tore out to get the IBC cage in.

Invested a handful of pocket change to build a poor-man's grow tent around my growbeds. Picked up some emergency blankets from Wal-Mart ($3/each) and cut them to size, stapled them to small chunks of wood, and then placed the wood on top of the light fixtures, leaving the bottoms loose so I can lift them or rearrange them when needed.
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I need to lower the lights over the 55 gallon drum halves one of these days...


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Been a while since I've added anything, figured I should toss up some pictures.
Finally got around to putting my basement wall back together, just in time for my landlord to come by and check on the furnace heater (phew!)

Got a little behind on my gardening, but finally had some time to go harvesting this evening.

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My original grow bed. Lots of lettuce, as you can see. There's a strawberry plant in the back left (completely hidden), as well as another in the 5 gallon bucket next to it. Both were bought at the same time, it's kind of an experiment. So far the bucket is outdoing the AP strawberry plant, but my system is still young. The giant plants in the middle are broccoli that took off. I've never grown broccoli before though, so I just assume they're doing well. Stage front two tiny catnip plants can be seen (an experiment).

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My exclusively lettuce 55-gallon barrel half. Had some difficulties getting adequate lighting and even growth throughout the grow bed, but I was able to harvest some of the larger leaves.

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The IBC tote GB. I planted some lettuce seeds in here to use up some of the space between strawberry plants, and oh my did that ever work. I actually found some strawberries that I didn't realize were growing while I harvested the lettuce from this GB.

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Average sized plant taken from the IBC top GB.

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Everything said and done, about 2 1/2 pounds of lettuce was harvested, as well as one strawberry (delicious). Went and bought a lettuce spinner because of how much I have now.

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I can grow my own lettuce (AP) and tomatoes (outside, dirt) for my salads, and soon I'll be adding broccoli and carrots, but I still can't seem to find anywhere that sells seeds for Ranch Dressing plants... :dontknow:


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Great update, thanks jaminjorma.

I've never really gotten my head around growing veggies under lights, generally there is only one plant grown under lights down under here...
Great little system, nice work.
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Yeah, the lighting is the most difficult part in my opinion. And the most reliable sources of information or discussion tend to be from places dedicated to the "other" plant commonly grown under lights.

I only do so because I want to keep the system going all year, and my yard space is extremely limited (renting in town) and so I can't have a greenhouse.


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Nice progress in the plants. I brought a couple strawberry runners inside from the dirt outside two weeks ago, and it looks like I brought in some spider mites too. I suggest you be careful about transferring indoors from dirt. More info on the amount of flourescent light you are using would be great. I need more light inside, and have been told that I need supplemental light in a gh to get tomatoes etc. to fruit in the winter.

Since the rules in my area have changed regarding the growing and possesion of the normal indoor crop, a lot of the smaller guy are shutting down, so there are good buys on lighting or even whole indoor setups. They are cheap enough I have considered using them, but I can't see having 1000W lights in my living room for the indoor setup, and although the not yet built gh would benefit form the light, 4-8 kw of light would get expensive, you know?
It is interesting to watch the market dynamics as the gov't takes the business away from 'criminals' (some gang related, some just the fellow next door making a few bucks) and instead grants a limited monopoly to the corps that had the first permits. /rant


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As a starving college student (well, in between harvests), I have a bit of a hodgepodge of a lighting set up. Over my smaller system, I have a 6 bulb T8 setup, can't recall the K values. Provides quite a bit of light, and I have some cheap emergency blanket material draped over the sides to reflect light on 3 sides.
Over my 2 55-gallon barrel halves, I have two 2 bulb T8 fixtures (so 4 bulbs total). They have one low and one high K value bulb each.
For the IBC tote I splurged and bought a 4 bulb T5 HO fixture, which honestly has worked quite nice. The lettuce from that GB was noticeably better than the others (in my opinion at least). I have a CFL with a reflective cover from a heat lamp directly over the bucketed strawberry plant. Cost wise, my basement setup is running me around $22/month in electricity, pumps running constantly, lights on 18 hours/day. I need to get some more supplemental lights for my IBC GB, as the size of it puts my T5 fixture at an angle, depriving one corner (and a couple plants) of sufficient light. I was experimenting with one of those bulb-shaped LEDs, but while bright, didn't seem to do much from what I can tell. But it now lights up my living room nicely...

On the other side of the GB is a south facing window, so on sunny days I move a plywood board to supplement with free light, but I have to be careful, because at night the lights shine right onto my neighbor's deck, and over to the shady gas station next door. The last thing I need is some punk kids breaking into my basement thinking I'm growing something more valuable than organic vegetables.

The strawberries that are in my IBC tote were bare root plants (so minimal chance of bugs) and are sending off runners like it's going out of style. I've had to take scissors to the GB and it feels like I'm rewiring a car with having to trace runners and cut them at their source. The two "experimental" strawberry plants (one in the AQ GB and one in the soil bucket) were two plants that I bought from Lowe's on clearance, with a discount. I think I paid $1.50 for them both... I haven't had any problems with bugs so far, except for a town wide infestation of ladybugs, but my small mouth bass just see those as a tasty treat when I pick them off the plants and toss them in the tank.


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Most ladybugs are good bugs that eat pests, not plants.
Thanks for the summary of the lighting. You have multiples of what I have for lighting intensity. Guess I'll have to break down and put in more.
I know what you mean about the attention, my light is just inside a window and I had someone in my house overnight one night, and I swear it was the neighbor checking out the lighting, although I can not prove it. Nothing touched, nothing moved, but door still open when I went upstairs to see what the noise was. This was during the first couple weeks when I had 24 hour lighting.


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