Ok the new paint filter bag filter as promised to you first

katmac

Yep I have to agree with the suggestion that the biggest clogging worry will be roots rather than poo. It's amazing when you see people pulling out tomatoes especially, at the end of the season. Just goes to show how well things go in AP I guess. It takes some of the pain out of cleaning clay balls when you know it's because your crop was so awesome I suppose :-)

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Blizzard

Bodgy wrote:

Try not to feel too hard done by Blizzard, the comments on your barra thread were mainly trying to let you know that breeding them is more than just putting two fish in an IBC. And that is the honest truth. You can rest assured that every other option has been tried by industry professionals and pioneers before hormone induced spawning was discovered and refined.
Personally I don't see any real problems with your bag filter, but that is mainly because when it blocks up your FT has an extra overflow to bypass it.
I can see a place for something like that before NFT or DWC to polish the water but if you want to stock above what is recommended here I think you will need an aquaculture style biofilter to deal with the excess wastes/nutrients. When the biomass of your fish increases beyond recommendations your system might (probably will) have ammonia spikes without one but as long as you monitor your levels you'll know when or if that happens and can make suitable changes. Removing wastes will compensate for that to some degree but how much, only time and testing will tell.
I'm no expert either and am fairly new to AP, however the guys you are struggling with do know their stuff. If they seemed less than diplomatic with you it really is worth reading some of your earlier posts that do kinda condescend and imply a lack of knowledge or thought on their/our part. Not having a go, just trying to explain where it went south. Jumping onto a forum and implying that you have outsmarted its entire membership base is guaranteed to rub people the wrong way.
Bear in mind that others before you have made similar claims when new (often with much crazier ideas than yours admittedly) and that has led to a natural caution when a new member makes great claims without much experience or successful experiments.

And this forum does try hard to make sure that untried/unproven theories are challenged to some degree so that other complete newbies don't read the thread and think that that they are proven and accepted methods.
(I too have a mad idea or two and fully expect and will accept constructive criticism if or when I deviate slightly from the norm. :wink:

).
I just noticed that you have 600L of media beds? Sounds like you'll be alright with that anyway, I'm kinda new but that sounds like plenty to me. From memory 20L per fish (assuming 500g growout) is the accepted norm, I could be wrong there but if that's the case you're within the recommended range?
I think you'll be fine to be honest and now my overly-wordy post seems kinda pointless... Sorry man, was trying to help! :oops:

Thanks Bodgy for your advice, I will be putting in some flowing channels above the sump tank eventually, that’s why the cleaner water requirements, I haven’t decided to have the water go from the channels into the grow beds or back into the sump tank as yet, but I still have a bit of building to do first, as I am working on a partial plastic covering with some shade cloth for when its wet or gets hotter, I have to put insulation around my fish tank and sump tank before I can finish the frame work for the lids, then I will be doing the channels, working from the frames of the sump tank, it’s a really big project with lots of new ideas, I was just sharing the ones I have up and running now, I will try and work out how to do pictures on here, my camera uses to many pixels?

Thanks again for your advice, its more positive than I have received from others,

Cheers!

Blizzard

Bodgy wrote:

Try not to feel too hard done by Blizzard, the comments on your barra thread were mainly trying to let you know that breeding them is more than just putting two fish in an IBC. And that is the honest truth. You can rest assured that every other option has been tried by industry professionals and pioneers before hormone induced spawning was discovered and refined.
Personally I don't see any real problems with your bag filter, but that is mainly because when it blocks up your FT has an extra overflow to bypass it.
I can see a place for something like that before NFT or DWC to polish the water but if you want to stock above what is recommended here I think you will need an aquaculture style biofilter to deal with the excess wastes/nutrients. When the biomass of your fish increases beyond recommendations your system might (probably will) have ammonia spikes without one but as long as you monitor your levels you'll know when or if that happens and can make suitable changes. Removing wastes will compensate for that to some degree but how much, only time and testing will tell.
I'm no expert either and am fairly new to AP, however the guys you are struggling with do know their stuff. If they seemed less than diplomatic with you it really is worth reading some of your earlier posts that do kinda condescend and imply a lack of knowledge or thought on their/our part. Not having a go, just trying to explain where it went south. Jumping onto a forum and implying that you have outsmarted its entire membership base is guaranteed to rub people the wrong way.
Bear in mind that others before you have made similar claims when new (often with much crazier ideas than yours admittedly) and that has led to a natural caution when a new member makes great claims without much experience or successful experiments.

And this forum does try hard to make sure that untried/unproven theories are challenged to some degree so that other complete newbies don't read the thread and think that that they are proven and accepted methods.
(I too have a mad idea or two and fully expect and will accept constructive criticism if or when I deviate slightly from the norm. :wink:

).
I just noticed that you have 600L of media beds? Sounds like you'll be alright with that anyway, I'm kinda new but that sounds like plenty to me. From memory 20L per fish (assuming 500g growout) is the accepted norm, I could be wrong there but if that's the case you're within the recommended range?
I think you'll be fine to be honest and now my overly-wordy post seems kinda pointless... Sorry man, was trying to help! :oops:

Thanks Bodgy for your advice, I will be putting in some flowing channels above the sump tank eventually, that’s why the cleaner water requirements, I haven’t decided to have the water go from the channels into the grow beds or back into the sump tank as yet, but I still have a bit of building to do first, as I am working on a partial plastic covering with some shade cloth for when its wet or gets hotter, I have to put insulation around my fish tank and sump tank before I can finish the frame work for the lids, then I will be doing the channels, working from the frames of the sump tank, it’s a really big project with lots of new ideas, I was just sharing the ones I have up and running now, I will try and work out how to do pictures on here, my camera uses to many pixels?

Thanks again for your advice, its more positive than I have received from others,

Cheers!

Blizzard

Sorry double post! Im bad

Yavimaya

Blizzard wrote:

Bodgy wrote:

Try not to feel too hard done by Blizzard, the comments on your barra thread were mainly trying to let you know that breeding them is more than just putting two fish in an IBC. And that is the honest truth. You can rest assured that every other option has been tried by industry professionals and pioneers before hormone induced spawning was discovered and refined.
Personally I don't see any real problems with your bag filter, but that is mainly because when it blocks up your FT has an extra overflow to bypass it.
I can see a place for something like that before NFT or DWC to polish the water but if you want to stock above what is recommended here I think you will need an aquaculture style biofilter to deal with the excess wastes/nutrients. When the biomass of your fish increases beyond recommendations your system might (probably will) have ammonia spikes without one but as long as you monitor your levels you'll know when or if that happens and can make suitable changes. Removing wastes will compensate for that to some degree but how much, only time and testing will tell.
I'm no expert either and am fairly new to AP, however the guys you are struggling with do know their stuff. If they seemed less than diplomatic with you it really is worth reading some of your earlier posts that do kinda condescend and imply a lack of knowledge or thought on their/our part. Not having a go, just trying to explain where it went south. Jumping onto a forum and implying that you have outsmarted its entire membership base is guaranteed to rub people the wrong way.
Bear in mind that others before you have made similar claims when new (often with much crazier ideas than yours admittedly) and that has led to a natural caution when a new member makes great claims without much experience or successful experiments.

And this forum does try hard to make sure that untried/unproven theories are challenged to some degree so that other complete newbies don't read the thread and think that that they are proven and accepted methods.
(I too have a mad idea or two and fully expect and will accept constructive criticism if or when I deviate slightly from the norm. :wink:

).
I just noticed that you have 600L of media beds? Sounds like you'll be alright with that anyway, I'm kinda new but that sounds like plenty to me. From memory 20L per fish (assuming 500g growout) is the accepted norm, I could be wrong there but if that's the case you're within the recommended range?
I think you'll be fine to be honest and now my overly-wordy post seems kinda pointless... Sorry man, was trying to help! :oops:

Thanks Bodgy for your advice, I will be putting in some flowing channels above the sump tank eventually, that’s why the cleaner water requirements, I haven’t decided to have the water go from the channels into the grow beds or back into the sump tank as yet, but I still have a bit of building to do first, as I am working on a partial plastic covering with some shade cloth for when its wet or gets hotter, I have to put insulation around my fish tank and sump tank before I can finish the frame work for the lids, then I will be doing the channels, working from the frames of the sump tank, it’s a really big project with lots of new ideas, I was just sharing the ones I have up and running now, I will try and work out how to do pictures on here, my camera uses to many pixels?

Thanks again for your advice, its more positive than I have received from others,

Cheers!

If you put in NFT channels, dont forget you need the fines filtering before them - after any growbeds you may have - not after the fishtank and before the growbeds.

Blizzard

Yes thanks Yavimaya, everything gets filtered in my system technically? Except the sump tank where the Marion are, they are on and off their food for some reason? I changed it back too wafers today the algae bottom feeding ones, or it could be that their eating the algae that’s in the sump tank, I need to build my lids instead off the tarps I have now, but I want to get the plastic cover over the top off my system first, so the cats don’t use the lids to get out. These are indoor cats, they only come outside if I am outside, they are in all day and night, responsible cat owners are we! I cant find the right shape fittings for the elect pipping I want to use so I may have to make my own? By cutting out two pieces of pipe with the grinder and putting a stainless steel bolt though to hold them in place to make a cross section for the middle joints at the top to lock the frame in place,

I have a lot to say but, I better not post it all at once, nobody wants to read war and peace here on my system,

Cheers,

Itechnical

Hey blizzard how do you change you paint filter as I have found when I try to remove mine it releases a lot of waste through the bag when moving it.

Blizzard

Itechnical wrote:

Hey blizzard how do you change you paint filter as I have found when I try to remove mine it releases a lot of waste through the bag when moving it.

I haven’t noticed that when I do mine? But I have charcoal filters and shell filters with a few sponges under my bag, I stop my tap and let the water through the overflow, slide back the lids on both buckets in my setup and scoop out the flow filter with a fish net from aquarium days, and put the solids into a bucket, the paint filter I just lift up, poor the contents into the bucket with the solids, then I give the bag a light rinse under the hose, then I put it all back together, you will get some small particles passing through the bag, depending on what grade bag you have, from memory as its not on the label on my bags? The size I have is 0, then you can get 00. Or 000. The 000 is the one they use for spray-paint, very fine, I wouldn’t recommend them, in aquaponics, far to fine, you still want to leave a bit in your system so as not to rob it totally of the nutrients, the bags breakdown the solids with the flow of water, so they are only stopping the larger solids from my swirl filter into getting back into my sump tank, the smaller particles no bigger than a pin head will go through on my bags, that lets the ammonia and other nutrients through, I am not sure what they all are, but it works for me, oh and just so some that think I am wasting the fish poo? It goes on my other veggies that are still growing from last year, I have not yet fertilized the fruit trees in the front yard, but I have lots of blossoms on the naval oranges, hopefully the rain wont stop the bees from pollinating a bit more fruit this year, but my trees are only two years old and no one else on my street had any fruit? Not that I got that much fruit off my trees as the kids on my street raided my tree, and took the lot, oh well such is life, we got a few lemon’s but,
:think:

skeggley

Blizzard, how long could you leave your filter set up without cleaning with your 10 small goldfish and a few marron?

Blizzard

skeggley wrote:

Blizzard, how long could you leave your filter set up without cleaning with your 10 small goldfish and a few marron?

Untill it gets dirty I guess! I have only cleaned it out twice now, but not that it needed it, but because I had nothing better to do! I was bored ok! Plus the cost of chicken poo for my other plants in the garden, well last years tomatoes and other vegies, I did have a little mishap when changing the outer bell house pipe from 90mm to 100mm as a bit of the media and a lot off the sediment from the media that was suppose to have been cleaned as the water coming out was? As I can remember its had fish and plants in it for five weeks now it took time to upload the clip, I put the filter in before the fish and the plants, I had some un notice remnants of the tanks previous contents which are water based, so all is cool on that, I anticipate around two months easy once I get the twenty barra fingerlings in a few weeks time, my system is still only small, as it gets bigger I will make the filter bigger, larger pipes for a start and a bigger drum setup, the gold fish my daughter has already claimed and she will have them when the barra arrive,

skeggley

I'd have thought it would have been more often, I am however, frequently wrong.
But then again who isn't?

Interested to see how it fares with a heavier fish load.

Itechnical

I'm having to clean mine every day with 13 trout and 10 silvers As it is fully bloated with the pressure due to most of it being blocked up

Blizzard

Itechnical wrote:

I'm having to clean mine every day with 13 trout and 10 silvers As it is fully bloated with the pressure due to most of it being blocked up

I don’t clean mine as often, but I do look at the flow of water coming out each day after work for around two hours, that’s my quite beer time and the cats play time, if I see the water flow has slowed, I loosen the lid and turn the bag around a bit to a cleaner section of filter, did you put the bit of extra pipe in with the holes? On your out take pipe? I am getting a bit of algae in mine from the fish tank but its still working fine,
:think:

Blizzard

I did have a problem today, a few small leaks I didn’t notice, one from the bulkhead from the fish tank, one from the swirl filter, and one from the pipe from the solid lift pipe to the swirl filter, the three combined made the sand sink under the swirl filter putting it on a lean, I did not notice it because the air pump sits on top of the swirl filter with a plastic case for weather protection and a rag to protect from uv-rays,

I have re levelled the drums, and added an extra piece of pipe in the swirl filter to act as a siphon into the bag filter, this cleaned out the swirl filter while I was draining the fish tank to put more thread tape around the bulkhead, I then fixed the swirl filter with some thread tape,

The system is running at 100% again, I put a new bag in during all the work, I will monitor this for the rest of the week and give more feedback as it happens, as I said this is new experimental never before done and I will share my findings as they come along, this system is still new, apart from my poor visual on the leaks, it has worked above my original plans so far,

If you have any ideas to improve this idea, then say so, if you have copied this idea then let me know how you are going, any problems or better ideas, together we will make it better for all,

Bcasey2703

Paint filter bag addition has been in for a week now, cleaned out whole filter system as i scrubbed sump tank the other day of algae (I haven't put a cover on yet as system is being moved and build for current spot will become redundant, plus as I just posted in another thread, I have a fascination with watching the sump tank which is kinda weird).

It was very easy to clean, which was good. Was full of big stuff (some small leaves that fly into system, and some big chunks of algae etc). Didn't make as much of a difference cleaning other media I have in filter, but then again I dumped a whole ton of algae in there so that was probably main issue.

I reckon most of what I am pulling out of filter overall is till sediment/dust from my gravel (which was extremely dirty even though I rinsed) as the colour matches that, not anything organic. Plus I have bugger all fish so not much organic. Wonder how long that will last pulling out dust? I reckon I am going to be happy to have my filter when I do big move and move all the GB's, shovelling in and out I reckon will bring anything that has settled back into play. At least I have an option to clean now, and surely it means my gravel will be clean!

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Ok the new paint filter bag filter as promised to you first

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