Backyard Aquaponics
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AA, does thins ring a bell ? ".............continuing along the same path, undiscouraged by almost certian faliure" (or something like that).

Man i had more chance of going to sleep again before i checked the board. I cant believe that we subscribe to the "100 men being out of step" mentality look at the overwhelming and broad range of research into the dangers, ineffectiveness and systemic health issues associated with it yet people are happy to hold on to that one original INFERRENCE about fluoride in 1901.

Tell your girl you were worried? It'll help, truth always does.

But then, truth can be readily subdued by profit.

Isn't near everything in a country with flouride subsequently processed with it...?

I now want to collect my rainwater, but being in a city, not worth it for what else I may collect.

I wonder how much these same companies have invested in water distillers. I mean, if you're going to be a prick, why not take advantage of the 'theorists' own fears...

Ah yes, the scientific mentality to try and box new information into preconcieved notions.

And the egos that go with intellect, that's why it rings a bell. I used to win arguements and I knew I was wrong just incapable of admitting it.

Comes a time a man begins to think a bit deeper and finds he has to live with himself, hence those Doctors changing sides.

Intelligensia are for the most part a bunch of strutting tw@s. So you have pompousness and arrogance defending greed and evil.

I'll wager back in for a sec...
If we don't get it from water, where would we get it from? Quick clarification, are you guys saying we don't need it at all or just not in the quantities available to us?

My thinking is sort of along the same lines as iodine- mulch the garden with seaweed to get your plants to take it up, as our Australian soils are so old, these things are depleted...

Oh yeah, if that has been answered in the attached files, ignore, as I have only skim read them , will read fully later...

Stu, it has never been listed as either a macro or micro essential mineral to my knowledge.

I think you are on the right track. You will find that much of the more recent research by NON dental board funded scientists have come to the conclusion that there is little to no beifit of INGESTING fluoride and more gain is to be had by cutting sugar consumption.....In fact a few brave men and women have switched sides, lost their jobs and then been paid out by court order for wrongful dismissal.

AA has hit on the head.

The make up of the population IMO is thus;

people who don't know any better and don't WANT to know

People who should know better but are too proud to admit that they are wrong

people who know better but are on the gravy train

people who know better



Apart from everything else stu, its the mass medication thats an issue too 1mg/lt in our general water, 2mg / day by me smoking a pack of ciggies, plus the amount contained in all processed and some fresh food due to the original water having 1 mg/lt. see it adds up to quite a bit? let alone the kiddies getting super doses.

Any of you guys in the states, can you take a picture of the warning on the side of you toothpaste tube and post it? We had out warnings sneakily taked away a few decades ago, and no one is any the wiser.

Read though the files and you'll see the cronic rate of dental fluorosis and oseteo fluorosis (same symptoms and effects of osteoporosis)

AA, i have had many arguements with poeple like you say you were I think yo myself later "you just weren't listening, for if you were it would have been plain as day" too many people hear but do not listen.

I once asked a question of a science school teacher, an engineer and two sparkies.

It was "whouldn't it be better if our mains supplies were not earthed at the SOURCE, because then there would be no return path to ground though us therefore no possibility of electrocution"

The answer i got was, "no they have to be earthed, so we can earth appliances and protect people from electrocution" I stood there dumbfounded, and i think i actually said did you even listen to the question?

After a lttle to and fro all but one of the sparkies regressed into the safety of "look thats just the way it has to be" and making fun of me amongst themselves.

Now this sparky went home and was loosing sleep becasue i had asked a valid question, now he was asking the same question. He actually found out and came back to me with the reason why they were earthed to beginwith was for "single wire / earth return" supplies to remote country areas.
That makes sense to me. so i was satisfied.

He is a fellow free thinker and i am glad to be able to vent to him every now and then to keep myself sane.

A bit of a storey i know, but i'm just trying to highlight what AA also said, people will ague vhemently to maintain the status quo, even when what they are argueing is illogical and contradictory....................oh well.

Unfortunatly free thinking is no a desired attribute in todays society. (i wonder if it ever has in history?)

PS AA, the quote was actually from the cd i gave you

Only reason i have not gone the RO / distillation option is theat it is too pure.

You know about osmosis and the like. Humans were'nt meant to drink ultra pure water. They were meant to drink it from streams and lakes and springs.

We are already facing a host of medical problems due to lack of micro minerals without having RO / distilled water strip what little is in our bodies out

They care very good in certain circumstances where you require a thourough detox and the like, but not for 24/7 consumption IMHO

Damned if you do damned if you don't.

Steve

Ill go with the "damned if you don't. "... its less work ... But I get what you are saying

Not to mention super polluted waste water.
I built a solar desalination unit once and had the slurry assayed, amazing what minerals go down the tube.

Let's get this one going again.

It looks like there will be fluoride in my water supply within the next 6 months. Given that my oldest boy (7) drinks nothing but water and my youngest (4) pretty much only water, I figure that the amount of fluoride they are likely to ingest is far from satisfactory (given that 0 is probably the best level).

So what do I do. While I've not done a lot of research at this stage, I figure that 2 of the main options are:

1. Buy a reverse osmosis filter to remove fluoride from the town water. Main issues are the cost and the demineralisation issues (as discussed by steve).

2. Hook up the kitchen tap to one of our rainwater tanks and install a different type of filter. Main issue I have with this is whether I will then be feeding my kids various nasties that have fallen from the sky onto the roof (a first flush diverter only gets so much of this). We are though in the bushy acerage area and not on a main road or anything - which has gotta help this issue I guess.

Thoughts???

Rain water
and you guys get bucket of the stuff!

Are you on rainwater C1? What sort of filter is used for drinking water from tanks these days? I grew up on rainwater, but in those days we didn't seem to worry about filters. Less polution I guess

we use 2 filters ( plus leaf seive )
the first is a 30 micron plastic cleanable disc filter before the pump, made in the middle east.
2nd is 20micron after the pump also made in the middle east.

So you have no concern about chemical residue and stuff. Are those mechanical filters just to remove super fine organic matter C1? Any concerns with microorganisms or giardia and stuff? I see that a lot of bird shit seems to find its way to my tank.

More krypto & giardia in sydney water...
No, never been worried at all.
At least I DO have some control (knowlege of the
content of our water) over what goes in.
K & H have been on it since babyhood!
They seem quite normal s