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PostPosted: Dec 8th, '13, 21:24 
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well to bring up your potassium without affecting your ph ill suggest using potassium sulfate. it must be atlest 1.5 times your nitrates. everything is modeled around nitrates cus its literally the building blocks of all matter i.e. proteins. so try that. but one thing to note not many crops can be grown at those levels of Na and Cl especially water crops like cucumber and watermellons. there is no physic difference in a plant grown in soil compared to soil less media. all that different is nutrients availability and contact time with roots

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Potassium Sulphate, Sulphate will lower PH Sulphuric Acid.


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I am using potassium bicarbonate. How much to add to a 8000 l tank with a 2800 l growbed? When k has to be 1.5 x N is that by weight? I don't get it :?


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well to bring up your potassium without affecting your ph ill suggest using potassium sulfate. it must be atlest 1.5 times your nitrates. everything is modeled around nitrates cus its literally the building blocks of all matter i.e. proteins. so try that. but one thing to note not many crops can be grown at those levels of Na and Cl especially water crops like cucumber and watermellons. there is no physic difference in a plant grown in soil compared to soil less media. all that different is nutrients availability and contact time with roots

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Potassium Sulphate, Sulphate will lower PH Sulphuric Acid.


no it wouldn't.. it isnt the sulphate that lowers pH. it is the free H+ ions that disassociate for acids or acidic salts. mineral sulphur is different than sulfate. mineral sulphur reacts with OH radical with water to oxidize itself into sulfate. this process removes 'O' oxygen ions and leaves free H+ ion which interns lower the media pH.

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I am using potassium bicarbonate. How much to add to a 8000 l tank with a 2800 l growbed? When k has to be 1.5 x N is that by weight? I don't get it :?


using the required potassium bicarbonate to raise K levels in water in a short time will drastically raise you water ph to a point that everything can die plants fish bacteria. that y normally we wait till the pH drops naturally to buffer the system with potassium or calcium. if u wana add in alot of potassium at once u have to do it using a neutral salt like KCl or potassium chloride or potassium phosphate K3PO4 or potassium sulfate K2SO4. I will really recommend using Potassium Phosphate because of it double benefits of addiction of phosphates at the same time especially needed for high production crops like tomatoes. from where I am potassium phosphate is hard to find so I have to make it myself using potassium hydroxide and phosphoric acid. I haven't go any problems with algae nowhere in my system. coming to the amount of K to use its varies between what type of K salt u input.


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well to bring up your potassium without affecting your ph ill suggest using potassium sulfate. it must be atlest 1.5 times your nitrates. everything is modeled around nitrates cus its literally the building blocks of all matter i.e. proteins. so try that. but one thing to note not many crops can be grown at those levels of Na and Cl especially water crops like cucumber and watermellons. there is no physic difference in a plant grown in soil compared to soil less media. all that different is nutrients availability and contact time with roots

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Potassium Sulphate, Sulphate will lower PH Sulphuric Acid.


no it wouldn't.. it isnt the sulphate that lowers pH. it is the free H+ ions that disassociate for acids or acidic salts. mineral sulphur is different than sulfate. mineral sulphur reacts with OH radical with water to oxidize itself into sulfate. this process removes 'O' oxygen ions and leaves free H+ ion which interns lower the media pH.

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Thats what i said,Potassium Sulphate will lower your PH..


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[quote="cookie"]well to bring up your potassium without affecting your ph ill suggest using potassium sulfate. it must be atlest 1.5 times your nitrates. everything is modeled around nitrates cus its literally the building blocks of all matter i.e. proteins. so try that. but one thing to note not many crops can be grown at those levels of Na and Cl especially water crops like cucumber and watermellons. there is no physic difference in a plant grown in soil compared to soil less media. all that different is nutrients availability and contact time with roots

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Potassium Sulphate, Sulphate will lower PH Sulphuric Acid.


no it wouldn't.. it isnt the sulphate that lowers pH. it is the free H+ ions that disassociate for acids or acidic salts. mineral sulphur is different than sulfate. mineral sulphur reacts with OH radical with water to oxidize itself into sulfate. this process removes 'O' oxygen ions and leaves free H+ ion which interns lower the media pH.

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this process removes 'O' oxygen ions and leaves free H+ ion which interns lower the media pH.
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adding sulfate will not lower pH. adding sulphur will. there is a big difference

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well to bring up your potassium without affecting your ph ill suggest using potassium sulfate
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this process removes 'O' oxygen ions and leaves free H+ ion which interns lower the media pH.
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Potassium Sulphate will lower your PH,potassium sulphate is best uses as a foliar feed.


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well to bring up your potassium without affecting your ph ill suggest using potassium sulfate
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this process removes 'O' oxygen ions and leaves free H+ ion which interns lower the media pH.
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Potassium Sulphate will lower your PH,potassium sulphate is best uses as a foliar feed.


look at the pH and see for yourself.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_sulfate

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Doesn’t Potassium sulphate when dissolved in water produce WEAK sulphuric acid ?


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Which does show on your PH test.


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Doesn’t Potassium sulphate when dissolved in water produce WEAK sulphuric acid ?


sulphur dioxide or sulphur trioxide creates a weak acid or strong according to the amount.

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So Potassium Sulphate will NOT reduce PH ?


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not it should not. the only reason it may reduce pH if there were remaining acid carried over into the product from the process. but K2SO4 is a neutral salt same as NaCl is neutral.

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I'll luv to teach u the chemistry behind it but its a bit long to discuss over de phonr

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