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I think we may have a slightly different interpretation of the word "suppressed".

Pharmaceutical companies are in existence purely to make the maximum amount of profit possible.

I have never heard anyone claim they should be charities.

That's why we have the government funded institutions.

A company may have 100 new drugs in the pipeline at any one time, of which only one may be

worth investing $ billions to bring to market.

If they get two drugs, but only have the money for one, then they usually cross-licence one

of them with another company. That way they can have a revenue stream from both.

But they wouldn't hide it away, because someone else may discover it or something very similar.

Journeyman always likes to refer to the "Laws of Physics", now I like my physics and maths

but my Number one Law is "The Law of Common Sense"

If we apply common sense to the problem above:

A Pharmaceutical company synthesises two drugs, drug A and drug B.

expected revenue from Drug A is 80 billion

expected revenue from Drug B is only 10 billion

So, would the company shelve/suppress drug B and have a profit of 80 billion

Or, would it cross-licence drug B and have a total profit of 90 billion.

Remember its reason for existence is to make the maximum profit.



I can answer this with one word.

Thalidomide.


Some people think the approval agencies are too strict and some people think they are not strict enough.

To be honest, I'm not sure which is correct.

I know a cardiologist that doesn't prescribe new medication to her patients unless it has been on the market for three years.

I can agree and disagree with you at the same time on this.

People get swine flu all the time, but usually they work with pigs and the transmission is pig to human.

What happened in 2009 the virus mutated so that it went from human to human.

The previous experience with the H1N1 mutation was The 1918 flu pandemic that killed 50 to 100 million people—3 to 5 percent of the world's population

At the beginning I think the people in charge were scared shiteless that it would be a repeat of 1918.

The fact it wasn't as severe, we were lucky but hindsight is a beautiful thing.

Did they take this opportunity to test their response procedures = absolutely

to off load their tamiflu, yes , but nobody actually made any extra money

Hi Jm
Are you sure it was blueberries ? and not billberry
Around here, american "bluberrys" have been markedet, and sold with those exact health effect arguments.
But it seems that it's a mixed identety wild billberries, are commonly called blueberrys, and the american blueberry is the one most people grow/buy, thinking/beliving it holds those super healthy effects.

I'm just asking cause I got fooled, like most other I know (marketing scam)

http://www.stevenfoster.com/education/m ... erry2.html

PS I'w forwarded your banana tips to my sister, if she decides to try it she promissed to share the results

cheers

"Not a good source to try to make your point"

I think it is the BEST source to make my point.

Dr Marshall proposed a theory that ulcers are caused by bacteria and not stress.

In 1984 he tried to prove it by infecting piglets with the bacteria.

But it did not work.

For his work to be accepted by his peers IT NEEDS TO BE BEYOND ALL DOUBT.

not just reasonable doubt. He only got solid evidence after infecting himself.

(By the way he didn't need to infect himself, there are other ways to test it. He took a short cut)

I would argue his peers showed a proper degree of scientific scepticism until his theory could be supported by evidence.

If they hadn't shown this degree of scepticism they would have to accept work from any

charlatan, witch doctor, snake oil salesman or quack such as Hulda Clark or Dr Ryke Geerd Hamer

Pretty sure it was blueberries, but I don't recall seeing if there was mention of a type of blueberries. I've never heard of billberries so unless I misread all the way through the article it was blueberries.

The article below isn't the one I recall but is saying something very similar.
[quote=A Radical Proposal]. Last year neuroscientist James A. Joseph of Tufts University and his colleagues reported that middle-aged rats fed extracts of spinach, blueberries or strawberries for eight weeks showed marked declines in
oxidative stress in their brain cells, as well as improved memory and coordination.

The most successful rats noshed on blueberries—the equivalent of a cup a day for humans.

The research also highlights how much scientists have to learn about the processes that contribute to aging. Apparently, it’s the blend of ingredients inside blueberries—not just isolated antioxidants—that benefited the racy rats.

Studying the rats’ brain cells, Joseph was surprised to find relatively few signs of increased antioxidants. Instead he found a host of cell changes, from better antiinflammatory activity to more pliable membranes—all of which could act together to combat aging changes.
“If you take a supplement, you never get the benefit of a fruit or vegetable that contains hundreds of compounds,”[/quote]

Hi again

Vaccinium myrtillus (bilberry) is a member of the Ericaceae family, and is also known as European blueberry, huckleberry, whortleberry, or blueberry.
It is a shrubby perennial plant one to two feet in height and can be found in the mountains and forests of Europe and the northern United States.
Its branches contain alternating, elliptical, bright green leaves, and its flowers, which appear from April to June, are reddish or pink, and bell-shaped.
The fruit of the bilberry plant is blue-black or purple and differs from the American blueberry in that the meat of the fruit is purple, rather than cream or white.

Quote from this doc. : http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/.fulltext/6/5/500.pdf

It's common to use the name blueberry on bilberries, my sister is a herbalist she was the one educating me on the intermix of blueberrys vs blueberrys

cheers

Quote from here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_blueberry

Origins

The genus Vaccinium has a mostly circumpolar distribution with species in America, Europe, Asia, and Africa.

Many commercially sold species with English common names including "blueberry" are currently classified in section Cyanococcus of the genus Vaccinium and come predominantly from North America. Many North American native species of blueberries are grown commercially in the Southern Hemisphere in Australia, New Zealand and South American countries.

Several other wild shrubs of the genus Vaccinium also produce commonly eaten blue berries, such as the predominantly European Vaccinium myrtillus and other bilberries, that in many languages have a name that translates "blueberry" in English. See the Identification section for more information.

As for nobody making money from Tamiflu...
Seems tha facts disagree.

As for hindsight, swine flu wasn't even dangerous in foresight - the propaganda started long before any deaths occurred.

The transmission vectors looked nothing like a normal flu distribution.

The genetics suggested from the start this was a laboratory creation.

It was a deliberately created pandemic scare designed from the start to sell millions of doses of almost out -of-date Tamiflu that would otherwise have been a significant loss of money.

For the conspiracy side of it, just look at the fact that all official sources were touting swine flu as a possible deadly epidemic on what we can easily see (with your hindsight) was no evidence whatsoever. Not only is that irresponsible it is against almost all we know of flu viruses. If a virus is virulent (highly infectious) it is not deadly; if it is deadly it is not virulent.

Of course, it is possible that someone might make a virus that is virulent AND deadly, just like a lab or two who were trying to combine standard flu virus with something far more deadly after swine flu scare tactics abated. Even recently a Chinese lab has been deliberately making 127 variants of bird flu that will be/are both deadly AND virulent.

The very studies that report on such events tell more than is reported in the MSM.

So the 'pandemic' version of flu has genetics from very different areas of the planet, it mixes not 2 but 3 different flu types and there is no apparent development path historically.

Even worse, the propagation begins in yet another country, (Mexico) so we can't even say there was some kind of 'natural' cause. Yes, I cannot prove H1N1 was deliberately seeded, but equally it is quite clear from the evidence something extraordinary has happened.

Given the regularity with which pathogens escape labs (H1N1 or H7N9 anyone?) PLUS the ethical considerations of deliberately making something designed to wipe out a maximum number of people in shortest time, one would have to question the sanity of the scientists involved...

Not sure what happened to the post prior to Soltun's last - it was meant to look like this...


Pretty sure it was blueberries, but I don't recall seeing if there was mention of a type of blueberries. I've never heard of billberries so unless I misread all the way through the article it was blueberries.

The article below isn't the one I recall but is saying something very similar.

Also from another source,


@Soltun - I've never seen blueberries that don't have very dark flesh and the pics in the article were, to me, blueberries so I presume they were talking the European type rather than ones that don't have the dark flesh. IIRC there was a correlation they saw between darkness of colour and the level of benefit.

Like every other company, profit is not a bad thing in a free market (It can be with govt connected industries like big pharma though) I wasn't


I was just talking about smaller startups etc with lifesaving treatments.

. Delay of life saving technologies. It often takes over 10-15 years to get approval!
How many people die because they cannot get access to these treatments.
Nobody risks their job in FDA by saying “no”, only “yes”
The review boards are a joke. They consist mainly of your potential competitors!

2. "Needless paperwork. At least half of my company’s expenses are directly related to useless compliance with FDA paperwork. "

3. Chilling effect on new products and technologies. Want to make venture capital run away and hide? Say “subject to FDA approval”


And its getting worse, they want to make vitamins subject to FDA approval don't they ??


And there are a lot more

That's the problem with this sort of regulation, often it can be too restrictive, but potentially even more damaging is the false sense of security regulations. When they are not safe enough it can be very dangerous. Like Thalidomide.


I think this is a clue to the solution.
I think the FDA should be abolished. What will happen then will be the formation of competitive standards agencies, this happens in many other industries. Patients and their doctors can then choose the level of safety they want in their treatments. A pregnant mother might want the absolute highest level of safety for her morning sickness drugs.
A person on the brink of death from cancer would probably be willing to bypass almost all safety standards just to have a small chance of living for a bit longer. He should have that right.

What do you think ?

Huckleberries are an orangish pink color, not blue. I remember picking them a a kid... Usually when out blackberry picking, it was always nice to come across a huckleberry bush.

Hi
You are talking about yet another variant probabbly this :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccinium_parvifolium
or maybe this (most common in northern europe) :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccinium_vitis-idaea
the last is bitter/souer comparred to bilberry, I use both, as sweet & souer when serving game dishes

cheers

It was not sour... It was most certainly sweet. But yes, it was the first link. I grew up in that area.

I can't really talk about the FDA (as I have no experience) but I think the Australian system is quite good.

Paperwork is part and parcel of the game.

And the regulatory game is designed to weed out the conmen, quacks and charlatans such as

Hulda Clark or Dr Ryke Geerd Hamer.

The FDA or TGA offer the consumer a type of safety net of information.

A consumer with no understanding of medicine can be assured that the TGA approved

medication actually does what it claims it can do.

Your first point about delays of life saving treatments I think is extreme. If a treatmentt is seen to be extremely

effective during trials it will be fast tracked. ( I would assume the FDA has similar provisions.)




What do I think, abolish the FDA and establish competitive standards agencies.

Aren't you setting up another FDA, just under a different name?

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I thought this deserves a post of its own.




Frances Kelsey never buckled, even under pressure from the company.

She stood her ground and said NO.

Thousands and thousands of people in America today need to thank her.


I might just add a few more quotes from the article.

Not quite.

The stockpile of Tamiflu was near its exp date. From memory one batch was past its exp date

but was tested, found to be within potency and given an extension.

The doses were given to patients for free.

Any doses not used were discarded and fresh supplies purchased.

This turnover of medication would have occurred regardless of the swine flu.

And will occur again in 3-4 years.




This whole paragraph is wrong.





This statement is completely wrong and the 50 to 100 million people that died from the H1N1

in 1918 would beg to differ.




Oh Crap

It looks like everybody in the world is involved in some worldwide conspiracy except me.