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PostPosted: Aug 25th, '13, 12:31 
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Would love to see a budget breakfown on this job?


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PostPosted: Aug 25th, '13, 12:32 
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Size of the chips don't make a difference....come on Rupert, I have high praise but don't try and blame the tools here.

This project failed and the $240k tax dollar funds is now wasted.

You yourself in your own posts pointed out many times that the lack of supervision meant heat issues - there should have been more up front automation (especially feeding/cooling).

Only a quarter of the $240,000 grant was allocated to the actual infrastructure Dean... and no monies allocated to ongoing costs...

Extraction fans were included within that budget.... but monies weren't available for any other automation...


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PostPosted: Aug 25th, '13, 12:34 
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Would love to see a budget breakfown on this job?

The grants monies were controlled and allocated by the TAFE Faye/Dean....

$60,000 was allocated to the infrastructure build.... that included everything from bare ground up to what you see...


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PostPosted: Aug 25th, '13, 12:58 
Dean.Collins wrote:
This project failed and the $240k tax dollar funds is now wasted.

FYI Dean... and I don't intend to take it any further... not all the $240K grants funding was actually eventually funded... and only $60k was available to the project build...

In terms of "failure"... the overall vision/intentions... even the initial proposed design... certainly weren't meet

But the system itself ran completely successfully... within the scope of the funding...


But with politics... no ongoing funding and commitment... which was expected/promised... the system was basically being maintained by myself.. on a voluntary basis...

The project is a "dead horse".... and has been a source of much frustration and disappointment... amongst other things.... almost since the beginning... much of which I've documented...


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PostPosted: Aug 25th, '13, 13:28 
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yep I have no doubt you did your best on your part, you have too many successful projects under your belt for anyone to question that.

hopefully one of the students learnt something and goes on to be a hell of a tradesperson from the skills they learnt and this in time from taxation of his successful company pays for the $240k in my taxes :P


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So what happened to the funds that were suppsed to pay for the aquaponics system?

Last time I asked here in January you made me remove my post as things were meant to be happening and my post might have jeopardised your opportunity.

The balance outstanding to BYAP still remains?
For years and years I kept quiet about this but I can't see any reason not to note it on this thread in the hope that you will do the right thing and repay the balance.
The threat of legal action didn't help us either!


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PostPosted: Aug 25th, '13, 14:08 
Faye ... it is completely inappropriate to attribute any private matters between BYAP and myself... to this specific project/thread... and you know that...


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Rupe:

Awesome project great to see things on that scale, excellent thread and well worth the read.

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faye wrote:
So what happened to the funds that were suppsed to pay for the aquaponics system?

Last time I asked here in January you made me remove my post as things were meant to be happening and my post might have jeopardised your opportunity.

The balance outstanding to BYAP still remains?
For years and years I kept quiet about this but I can't see any reason not to note it on this thread in the hope that you will do the right thing and repay the balance.
The threat of legal action didn't help us either!

Interesting. Very interesting.


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Oops, sorry if I wandered into something bigger here. :?

Rupert, first of all I know the design/implementation would be first rate as you have done this plenty of times. You have too many projects completed for anyone to consider otherwise.

What I was trying to point out is that maybe aquaponics isn't the panacea to all that "ails the world" and any implementation is going to require significant amount of ongoing work (that we are ALL guilty of never calculating the true costs of).

Basically yes our aquaponics system may deliver vegetables and fish on an ongoing basis cheaply but there is a cost associated with this that WE MUST CALCULATE and that popping around to the shops to pick up some cucumbers/capsicum DOES NOT HAVE THIS COST.

I see the same thing when people calculate how much backyard chickens cost, they work out eggs per week (in summer at height of laying season) and use this to divide the feed purchase with a per egg cost and then wipe away the difference between this and store bought saying.....oh well its way better for you...

The only way we as backyard farmers (and some of us as commercial farmers) can advance the field of aquaponics is by looking at ALL of the inputs required such as labor/those little $20-$40 here and there parts/feed and of course our TIME at a reasonable $ per hour figure.

Then we can truly calculate how much that head of lettuce cost us.


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PostPosted: Aug 25th, '13, 21:53 
Agreed Dean... and I don't subscribe to aquaponics being the "panacea to all that ails the world"...

Bear in mind the project was never designed with any intended "commercial" aims or claims to such...


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PostPosted: Aug 25th, '13, 22:10 
Anyway... the project is essential "dead"... so no further comment is necessary...

Anyone that wants any detail regarding the project can PM, or email me privately...


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