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PostPosted: Jul 5th, '13, 16:36 
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the big "POISON"

on the jar was the give-away to me!

but how about "Yates trace elements"


I have added this to my system in small doses and folier fed with it a couple of times and it seems fine to me.


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Thanks,

I just ordered some from them too now :thumbright:


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Getting worried the FT is so red I can’t see the fish, and they don’t seem to be feeding?
Mind you it has been very cold here; it’s been like 2°C in the mornings! Hope the Iron chelate doesn’t hurt them.


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Thank goodness. The fishes are feeding.
But the water is still so red they can only be seen when they break the surface.


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yea you put too much in.
i think the fish should be ok, i did this last year, but was already getting trout deaths - new system. It didnt speed thier deaths up that i could tell.

I like the way you look at it at different angles and you get green and yellow and even some blue.

Iron chelates FTW.


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I added as a foliage spray manutec iron chelate which is dpta before I added fish
worked ok for me, I haven't added any since, as everything seems ok
I called the company and discussed toxicity with them and they assured my it would not be harmful to fish.


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yea you put too much in.
i think the fish should be ok, i did this last year, but was already getting trout deaths - new system. It didnt speed thier deaths up that i could tell.

I like the way you look at it at different angles and you get green and yellow and even some blue.

Iron chelates FTW.


according to "Bright Agrotech: formula - 2mg / L every 3 weeks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qczagOJG5mI

I needed 220g of 6% iron chelate for my 8500L FT

I mixed up a batch in a bucket and poured about 2/3 of it into the FT before the panic set in.


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Thats just insane, the iron i used was just the manutec iron chelates, so not exactly the same i dont think.
I didnt check the quantity needed, but i only put about 3 tablespoons worth into 5400L, which ended up being way, way too much.


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I think you may be confusing the mix ratio
i.e. if you were to mix it to spray on the plants you would use 2mg/L and then you would spray the plants with that solution.
I don't think the idea is to use the measurements as if your whole system is a spray bottle.
a 1 litre mix used like this would still leave you enough to be spray your plants for quite a while
I mixed up 500 ml and still have plenty left, admittedly I only had 3 grow beds and only sprayed a few times.


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Yes I thought is was a lot too.

but watch the video, that's what they say to mix into the total system water volume!

maybe somebody got their units mixed up?


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I just received that Iron Chelate from green fingers (EDDHA). According to that you tub video from Nate at Agrotech, I should use about 28grams for 3000 litres of water (if the iron chelate was %7... mine is %6 so perhaps a little more like 30grams for 3000 litres)
Does this sound right?
The package I received had broken in the mail so I had to wipe away a bit from my sink... I can see what you meant by 'red' it could be used for a die!


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how did you do your sums Tom? the way I understood the video from Nate at Agrotech (2/0.06) x 3000 = 100g

is my math bad? however from my experience with the redness.... maybe try 10g and see what it looks like and how the plants respond?


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Sorry I was calculating for each week not for 3 weeks like in the video...

so this is my sums for 3 weeks below:


%6 Fe EDDHA
7.58\0.06
=126.33 per gallon \3.6 (to get litres)
35.09 per Litre x 3000 litres (my system)
105270 mg \ 1000
105.27 g

So every 3 weeks I am supposed to be adding 105 grams for my system, which means if I followed that I would use the 1kg that I bought in 30 weeks... seems like a lot of iron! :think:

I think I will start by adding half that amount total (50 grams) but at 10-15 gram intervals like you suggested over a period of a week or so just to see how the fish like the murder water than is bound to occur :twisted:


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I would start by finding out much iron you already have in your system

if your plants are showing signs of deficiency a top up may be all that's needed

although they say to put that much in, I think it would also depend on how much your plants take out
I don't remember if they mentioned a formula for working out the absorption of the plants
more plants more iron needed, less plants less iron.

I would be very reluctant to be putting that much in to a small backyard AP


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esckay wrote:
I would start by finding out much iron you already have in your system

if your plants are showing signs of deficiency a top up may be all that's needed

although they say to put that much in, I think it would also depend on how much your plants take out
I don't remember if they mentioned a formula for working out the absorption of the plants
more plants more iron needed, less plants less iron.

I would be very reluctant to be putting that much in to a small backyard AP


Hi Esckay :wave1:

My system is 1000L FT + 3 sumps plumbed together (about 2000L) with 3 IBC GBs, 10 strawberry towers with 70 plants, 3 NFT tubes with 30 plants.
A lot of my greens have been looking a bit on the light green side and my basil has been yellow with green and before it was dark green as were my lettuce... I have been adding chelated iron now and again maybe a teaspoon every month but it has been the EDHA type and my systems Ph is around 7-7.5 most of the time and occasionally dropping to 6.5.
I did get and iron test kit... but it shows nothing in the reading (tested months ago not since then however)... I'm going to try it with a bucket of water and little of the new iron to see if I can get a reading..


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