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PostPosted: Jun 25th, '13, 00:42 
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Make yourself happy, Poppa. :D


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PostPosted: Jun 25th, '13, 09:55 
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To my way of thinking, that means:
- Sufficient income that does not require income from an outside source. No investments, no grants, no second job.
- Income is derived soley from the production of crops/fish. No seminar fees, no sales of related equipment/books/consulting.

Oh, I agree.....


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PostPosted: Jun 25th, '13, 12:31 
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Purists... :lol:

I think if the majority of your income is coming from plant and fish production and you have related income streams, what's the problem? It would be different if you were getting 20% of your income from AP and doing contract delivery driving for the other 80%...


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PostPosted: Jun 25th, '13, 12:48 
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It's a bit like small businesses value adding to their products, or diversifying.. If someone is growing a fish species they never intend to sell, and just striking ornamental cuttings in their AP beds, it's still an aquaponic business even though they aren't selling veggies or fish isn't it?


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PostPosted: Jun 25th, '13, 12:52 
Yep... but the thread wasn't about aquaponic "businesses"....

It was about "large commercial" systems... which to me meant commercial food production....

Yep hobby farms can, and probably should have supplementary income streams....

But beyond a 1/2 person operation..... or even at the upper end of such an operation....

You just don't have the time to dedicate to anything outside of the core business...


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I was taking an extreme there on the definitions of aquaponics and aquaponic businesses because people seem to get so hung up on their personal idea of what it should be..

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But beyond a 1/2 person operation..... or even at the upper end of such an operation....

You just don't have the time to dedicate to anything outside of the core business...


And perhaps that sort of attitude/plan has been the reason why less of the smaller systems have been commercially successful.

In our small business, diversification has led to the success of the business, it has been the key. If we remained only focussed on the promotion and sale of the kit systems which is our core, it would probably never have worked.


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PostPosted: Jun 25th, '13, 13:21 
I hear what you're saying Joel...

But food production systems.... only succeed... not so much by you successfully grow the food.... but by selling it... and you have to sell the product, otherwise you have to dump it....

And the 1/2 person operations are based on direct to market sales.... which get to a point of scale... that time and sheer sale of product logistics,... just mean that you can't do anything but grow & sell.... and even that has a finite limit...


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:shifty: I would have to say that the folks at Friendly AP are making a nice profit and are only going to get bigger. I guess its debatable as to whether or not they are "commercial" size but I'd argue that they are...and I'd win

I've read some pretty rough comments regarding them somewhere and if it was here I apologize for dropping the "F" bomb :mrgreen: ..but like them or not, they are some go getters with what appears to be a passion for learning as much as they can about AP.


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PostPosted: Jun 25th, '13, 13:39 
What their current status???

Last I heard (some time ago).... they had lost their only market account... Costco...


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Alright Rupert, in your world these things just can't be done.... :dontknow:


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PostPosted: Jun 25th, '13, 13:47 
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:shifty: I would have to say that the folks at Friendly AP are making a nice profit and are only going to get bigger.

How do you know they're "making a nice profit"??? ..... and are they doing so from their aquaponics system... or their training and kit plan sales???

And how do you know they're going to get bigger... I thought they were still under the possibility of jail, or at least community service...

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I guess its debatable as to whether or not they are "commercial" size but I'd argue that they are...and I'd win

You might not... it appears that they would only describe themselves as "useful"..... not commercial.... :lol:

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Demonstration Systems: A demonstration system shows how the principles of aquaponics work, and is not necessarily a profitable system, or even one that is stable over time. One might see this type of system in a school, for instance, where they wanted to teach aquaponics but could not afford or did not want a system that would require tending. Not everyone needs the 300 pounds of produce and 5 pounds of fish a week a system of a couple hundred square feet can grow. We have built a tabletop demonstration system and use it at public events, but we do not rely on it to grow the food that we eat.

Useful Systems: A useful system is one that pays its operating costs (fish food, electricity, seeds and planting media), We offer plans for three different sizes of systems that satisfy these criteria.........


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PostPosted: Jun 25th, '13, 13:51 
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Rupe you really need to go out and do something constructive yourself.....


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PostPosted: Jun 25th, '13, 14:03 
I'd like to... but it's raining... :D


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That sort of attitude doesn't hack it in the real commercial world.... :)


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PostPosted: Jun 25th, '13, 14:25 
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