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Rupert

I would agree that some vaccinations could be useful.
If you take a look at what I wrote, My major point is that childhood vaccinations before 4 yrs age are the most damaging. It seams that the japan situation showed age 2 yr, but I would go with 4.

They just need to choose the group that is un-vaccinated to observe and keep records and compare to the other group.

Does this mean it doesn't cause autism? I suppose there is no influence over the government or courts by the drug companies

Such good critical thinking going on here. In other threads we read about the corruption of government with the pharmaceutical industry, and here it is not even questioned !

Nope...on it's own it doesn't prove that "it doesn't cause autism".... but neither does it "prove" that it does....

There is however.. multiple scientific studies... conducted by people other than pharmaceutical companies.... that can not find any link between vaccines and autism...

Without such proof... governments would be unlikely to act and require compensation...

My point is that almost all of the rabid anti-vaccine sites... misquote, or selectively quote.. papers/studies... to supposedly support the belief that scientific proof exists.. that there is a link... when there is not...

Fair point, you know even if there was "proof" I don't think you would ever hear about it, due to the extraordinary conflict of interest and tradition of opinion.
I guess then we should completely ignore the significant increase in autism and related conditions in children and just keep doing the same...

The significant increase in autism... worldwide... is a matter of concern... and much medical investigation...

SV... I'm conscious about issues of "conflict of interest"... and "tradition of opinion"... but similarly I'm conscious of an alarming trend that seems to be aimed at discrediting all science....

I generally take studies funded by particular industry/commercial bodies.. with a degree of salt... but most science... real "peer reviewed" science.... simply presents the facts... and is valid as such....

As to concerns about government... yeah I share many of them... but my concerns are more about the bankers and financiers... when it comes to matters of economic and social manipulation...

Quote from the chief medical officer of South Australia - Paddy Phillips. Taken from the Adelaide Now website.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sout ... 6617697022

"If children are vaccinated they can't get sick with that illness," he said. "The more who can't get sick, the more who can't spread the illness."

Now an excerpt from the "Immunise Australia Program" website...

http://www.immunise.health.gov.au/inter ... tent/faq#8

"Q. IS EVERYONE PROTECTED FROM DISEASE BY IMMUNISATION ?

Even when all the doses of a vaccine have been given, not everyone is protected against the disease.

Measles, mumps, rubella, tetanus, polio and Hib vaccines protect more than 95% of children who have completed the course. One dose of meningococcal C vaccine at 12 months protects over 90% of children. Three doses of whooping cough (pertussis) vaccine protects about 85% of children who have been immunised, and will reduce the severity of the disease in the other 15% if they do catch whooping cough.

The protection levels provided by vaccines differ. For example, if 100 children are vaccinated with MMR, 5-10 of the fully immunised children might still catch measles, mumps or rubella (although the disease will often be milder in immunised children). However, if you do not immunise 100 children with MMR vaccine, and the children are exposed to measles, most of them will catch the disease with a high risk of complications like lung infection (pneumonia) or inflammation of the brain (encephalitis).

Booster doses are needed because immunity decreases over time."

So with people like Paddy at the helm of SA Health trying to scare the masses into vaccination, with information contrary to the Government website .... Who Do You Believe !!

What I find extremely interesting is that the areas of low immunisation rates are in the well to do suburbs of the country..... Where the Educated & influential live. Now tell me do the parents of children in these areas love their children less ? Are these the irresponsible, stupid & selfish hippies that are portrayed in the media..... Or could it be that these people have taken the time to do their own research on the side effects of these vaccines, talked to healthcare professionals & formed their own opinion on whether or not they want to fill their children's bodies with chemicals.

VACCINATION IS OPTIONAL & I can tell you that anyone who chooses not to vaccinate, has done their homework. And thought long & hard about the ramifications. Could you say the same for the majority??? Who are happy for their children to be used as human pin cushions whilst instead of doing a little research of their own, will happily spend hours online on Facebook.

So.. how exactly is Paddy trying to "scare the masses into vaccination".... by presenting the facts about vaccination re percentage protection.... huh????

Or perhaps it's this bit that you find "scary"...

However, if you do not immunise 100 children with MMR vaccine, and the children are exposed to measles, most of them will catch the disease with a high risk of complications like lung infection (pneumonia) or inflammation of the brain (encephalitis).

This would tend to suggest that not a lot of "research" has actually been done on the subject...

All of those that are anti-vaccination....

How many of you are grossly sick due to the huge amounts of "chemicals".. that were pumped into your bodies... when you were immunised as children...????

And how many of you... or your friends... have developed autism... since you were vaccinated....???

Remember.. you were vaccinated in the bad old days... when the vaccines were loaded with all those "nasties"... which current vaccines don't contain....

I wonder how many of these "Educated and influential" people.... have vaccination shots... prior to their "overseas holidays"....

Or perhaps they forego their kids vaccinations... so that they can fund their holidays....

Most will catch the disease with high risk of complications. I noticed Rupe referenced text that.supported your position with no care to its accuracy. Rupe so you are telling us that MOST healthy people have a high risk of complications (if they get measles)?? Show us some more of your critical thinking

Nope... I was quoting Super D's quote... of what Paddy was quoted as saying.... and requoted it... completely accurately....

You've just quoted part of the above quote.... and are attempting to attribute some sort of inaccuracy on my part... compounded by a red herring diversion of "MOST healthy people"....

To try and represent something... that I didn't say....

I didn't represent any particular viewpoint... just asked the question about which part was scary....

Now... where were we with the concept of "critical thinking"????...

P.S... from my understanding.... measles, particularly rubella.... is classified as a high virulence, high risk disease.... with a high risk of significant complications... especially for infants.... (healthy or otherwise)...

Now if you wish.... debate the point one way or another....

P.P.S.... Most healthy people don't get diseases.. or sick....

That's why we define them... as healthy.....

Viruses aren't that discriminating... or sentient... as to just target the "unhealthy"....

So what is the evidence of "a high risk of complications" infants aside ?