The bombing of Darwin.

Domani

Paying respect to the fallen is ok with me. In my opinion that is best done in actively promote peaceful coexistence and do anything in ones power to make sure no more people get killed that way. Not only today, but everyday.

Cheers, Bodgy.

Bodgy

Quite a conundrum lol
I must defer to your experience on AP, won't have me arguing much there. :lol:

And I can't argue at all with your last comment. Not one tiny bit. See we do share some common ground.

Personally, I'm off to see Black Sabbath! omgomgomgomg!
So not much else going through my head for a while.
Have a good one, I sure will be. :headbang:

ccBear

You lot disrespect our fallen, my father was in Darwin in the medicial core during the bombing and now you bring shame on them all with your petty litte political crap.

SuperVeg

No one is bringing shame on anyone ccBear

MacGyver

It's important to realize what people had to go through in times of war. I also do not think it is a good idea to glorify War.

Perpetuitas

SuperVeg wrote:

Very true.

I am also coming to believe that if it wasn't for particular US presidents during and after the Great War, WWII may not have even happened..

History tells many stories, the problem is most people only listen to some of them

Please explain!

I think that is a terrible wrong statement!

Domani

Hitler got his chance only because of the crazy terms the Allied oppose on the Germans after the Great War. The details you can find everywhere, so google around and educate yourself.

SuperVeg

There is a book all about it
A short review on amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Wilsons-War-Woodr ... 1400082366

A more comprehensive review here
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/leef4.html

PLJ

I have just now read this thread and all I can say is that I like your style, Bodgy. More power to you.

Perpetuitas

Ok, guys thanks, but I still think that Hitler was not too intimidated by the US. It was more Britain and France.

earthbound

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Powell seems more interested in demonstrating the efficacy of his four principles that should guide the making of U.S. foreign policy and the managing of political economy than he is in writing sound history. The libertarian ideology of the Cato Institute (where he is a senior fellow) is apparent on virtually every page. The information he imparts sometimes seems oddly chosen as historical evidence, but makes sense as building blocks for the ideological edifice he constructs. This kind of writing makes for an effective essay, but does little to enlighten us about the making of U.S. foreign policy.

On the libertarian suggested reading list hey?

SuperVeg

I'm trying to source the information I have come across previously, so I might "over respond" a little bit here, for that I apologize. I will however remain on topic as well as justifying my previous statements. I think that if you take the time to follow the links, much will be learned !

In regards to Woodrow Wilson playing a big part in the causes of WWII:

This "The Road to World War II" outlines The actions taken by Wilson and the terms of the treaty of versailles. Also what Germany had to go through: Hunger blockades, no military defense, many territorial changes, etc

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it must be a peace without victory.… Victory would mean peace forced upon the loser, a victor's terms imposed upon the vanquished. It would be accepted in humiliation, under duress, at an intolerable sacrifice, and would leave a sting, a resentment, a bitter memory upon which terms of peace would rest, not permanently, but only as upon quicksand.[29]
A prescient warning indeed. Woodrow Wilson's own foolish, blatant disregard of it helped bring about a tragedy for Europe and the world that surpassed even the First World War.

From one of Murray Rothbard's books. It's "Wall Street, Banks and American Foreign Policy". Murray says, "American entry into World War I in April, 1917, prevented a negotiated peace between the warring powers and drove the allies forward into a peace of unconditional surrender and dismemberment, chaos and disruption throughout Central and Eastern Europe at war's end, and the consequent rise of Bolshevism, Fascism and Nazism to power in Europe. In this way, Woodrow Wilson's decision to enter the war may have been the single most fateful action of the 20th century, causing untold and unending misery and destruction. But Morgan profits were expanded and assured."

"So I agree with Murray's assessment that this decision was maybe the most fateful decision an American president has ever made because I think it led directly, as Murray says, to World War II, to Nazism, to Bolshevism, and so forth."

Significant fault also lies with the British. From "The Pity of War" Niall Ferguson

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the world war was not necessary or inevitable, but was instead the result of grossly erroneous decisions of British political leaders based on an improper perception of the "threat" to the British Empire posed by Germany. Ferguson regards it as "nothing less than the greatest error in modern history."

Pearl Harbour:

"The Pearl Harbor Myth: Rethinking the Unthinkable" George Victor

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A new book entitled The Pearl Harbor Myth: Rethinking the Unthinkable by George Victor and published by Potomac Books Inc. of Washington, D.C. is well researched and gives a very clear picture of how and why the Pearl Harbor myth was created. This "patriotic political myth" states that the attack by the Japanese was unprovoked and was a surprise to the Roosevelt administration, as well as, the key military personnel in Washington; but the commanders of Pearl Harbor were at fault for not being ready. Based on a good summary of the up-to-date research the author, who is an approving admirer of Roosevelt, concludes that Roosevelt deliberately provoked the attack and that he and his key military and administrative advisers clearly knew, well in advance, that the Japanese were going to attack both Pearl Harbor and the Philippines. Roosevelt wanted to get into the European War but he had been unsuccessful in provoking Germany; therefore, he considered the sacrifice of Pearl Harbor and the Philippines as the best way to get into the European War through the back door of Japan. The cover-up of this strategy started immediately after the attack and continues to this day. The author concludes that this information of the coming attack was intentionally withheld from the military commanders because it was known that the Japanese were depending upon the element of surprise and if warnings had been sent to the commanders of Pearl Harbor and the Philippines, their preparation for the attack would have caused the Japanese to cancel their plans.

I just want to finish with a couple of general quotes:
Denson:

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We must learn to avoid war and develope a general will to peace
I believe the key to this development is to learn the truth about the real causes and effect of wars
so that we can see through the false propaganda which is used by the political leaders to convince us to go to war
It has been the wars of the 20th century which have been the primary destroyers of individual freedom, even for the winners of those wars.

Mises:

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War is harmful not only to the conquered but also the the conquerer
society has arisen out of the works of peace
the essence of society is peace making, peace and not war is the father of all things
only economic action has created wealth around us
labour not the profession of arms brings happiness
peace builds, war destroys

Domani

SV, good work man! As usual though is the role of villain bankers brushed largely under the carpet. Wars need to be financed, and Morgan, Rothschild, Betancourt plus a bunch of other crooked families were happy to serve all sides.

An even more interesting and more topical issue is the present build up to the following World Wide Disaster. Google for Project New American Century (PNAC) and you even don't need an air-conditioning in the hottest weather, so chilling! The attentive observer will see the resemblance of the present US character, nationally and internationally, with Nazi Germany in the years before WW2.

Slowly but surely they move to a justified action into Syria. Today accusations of Assad using chemical weapons which is supposed to trigger US intervention. Only Russian and Iranian positions are keeping them from hurrying into the onset of WW3.

Who is going to stop these morons?

tojo

Wow - this all makes me rethink my username.
I read and heard on the YT link that tojo was the name of a bomb that didn't make it to Australia... Sorry to all you Australian friends if my username seems disrespectful!

This is actually my nickname in my local dialect.

But it's read tojo, as in toYo, with a soft J. :think:

Perpetuitas

@SV

I support most of your research, but I don't get

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improper perception of the "threat" to the British Empire posed by Germany

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Yes, Hitler hoped for a short time to get the British into a coalition against Russia, bit they did not want to, which I actually think it a good thing.

He then fought them and was a thread to the British. And also to the empire. But if you have an Empire as we Germans had as well, not as big of course, you will defend it!

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