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PostPosted: Apr 25th, '13, 12:23 
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This is silent footage supplied by the Australian War Memorial.

"Filming the bombing of Darwin"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIn695k9QiU

This would be a suitable soundtrack. ;-)

"HooDoo Gurus - 'Tojo (never made it to Darwin)' "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD9JjwWhAoY


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Lest we forget...


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Tojo never made it, and for that I thank my Grandfather and all others like him.

No offence intended to any of our present day Japanese friends. This is not about that at all. I'm sure you understand.


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For any non-Aussies here, it's ANZAC day today.
A day for us to remember all of our servicemen and women who have served our nation in war.

That's why I'm a bit off topic on this thread AP wise. :-)

I'll add this link to a popular and very touching song written about the Vietnam conflict.
Added so our o/s friends can experience it. Especially the US people on here.

I should mention as a warning, a lot of Australian Vietnam veterans were upset by this song when it was released.
If you are a vet this could be confronting, civvies like me tear up hearing this one...

Redgum- I was only nineteen (A Walk in the Light Green)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urtiyp-G ... ture=share


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Next time when your government asks you to go to war for them, tell them to go and ......... Themselves.


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In the conflicts of today, that is certainly good advice.

However, you should also consider that if it wasn't for Australians fighting and dying in your nation during WWII you would be speaking Japanese right now mate. Assuming of course that your ancestors survived their treatment by the Japanese Imperial Army...
Anzac day commemorates their sacrifices and honours them. it is not a day for recriminations or soapboxing about one's own political persuasions.
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I reconsider slightly, if the song by Redgum led you to post that then it did its job admirably. :-)


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Australians should never have come here to fight against Japanese to start with. And what is wrong with speaking Japanese? Point is, that people should refuse to go to war for their governments. None of this would have happened if they did.

On a day like this one should reflect on the aggressive nature of governments and their stupid inability to solve problems in a peaceful way. Or is it that war fulfills the need of a few at the cost of many?

Remember that none of them would have died if they would have stayed home and mind their own business.

And that is no soap boxing or political persuasion, just a practical counter force against people who mindlessly promote and cherish stupid heroism (did you noticed that practically all heroes have one thing in common? They"re all dead!) without thinking.


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Very true.


I am also coming to believe that if it wasn't for particular US presidents during and after the Great War, WWII may not have even happened..

History tells many stories, the problem is most people only listen to some of them


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And added to that: why the heck do you post war related topics on an (peaceful) aquaponics forum? Talking about soap boxing and political persuasions.......


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@ Domani Jesus dude, non-soabox day remember???

But to retort, the Japanese forces ploughed through the pacific on their way to their goal, my homeland.
Murdering civilians along the way for sport (as happened in Nanking, China. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre).
Australia was threatened with invasion and we fought. ffs, Heard of the Thai-Burma railway, etc, etc?

Have a little respect, and correct me if I am wrong, but if you were found to have said anything derogatory about your king you'd face the death penalty in Thailand wouldn't you? Yet you lecture me on political freedoms? pfft

As for your other question, I have posted in the correct area of the forums as far as I am aware (mods feel free to move if I was in any way mistaken).
This is an Australian forum.
ANZAC day is held by many to be extremely important and is NOT a day for political bs.
Have some god damned respect, I'm sure you expect it maybe you could display it also.


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Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour was triggered by the refusal of the US to pay back their loans to them. It was a last payment request. We know how the US reacted. Culminating in 2 atomic bombs on the Japanese targets Nagasaki and Hiroshima. The US is the only nation in the world that ever used nuclear weapons. Who is the threat in this world?

How would you react if some overweighted bully with a loud mouth stumbles into your home and starts telling you how to live and threatening you with his guns and bombs if you don't comply?


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You may also note that I linked to an anti-war song. I am in no way attempting to be political or soapboxing at all.
(getting a bit cranky, must restrain myself...)

I am not here to discuss history with you.
I am merely thanking those who fought for their service. Period.

As Foghorn leghorn once said, 'Go away boy, you bother me..."


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FYI

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Did FDR Provoke Pearl Harbor?

by Patrick J. Buchanan




On Dec. 8, 1941, Franklin Roosevelt took the rostrum before a joint session of Congress to ask for a declaration of war on Japan.

A day earlier, at dawn, carrier-based Japanese aircraft had launched a sneak attack devastating the U.S. battle fleet at Pearl Harbor.

Said ex-President Herbert Hoover, Republican statesman of the day, “We have only one job to do now, and that is to defeat Japan.”

But to friends, “the Chief” sent another message: “You and I know that this continuous putting pins in rattlesnakes finally got this country bit.”

Today, 70 years after Pearl Harbor, a remarkable secret history, written from 1943 to 1963, has come to light. It is Hoover’s explanation of what happened before, during and after the world war that may prove yet the death knell of the West.

Edited by historian George Nash, Freedom Betrayed: Herbert Hoover’s History of the Second World War and Its Aftermath is a searing indictment of FDR and the men around him as politicians who lied prodigiously about their desire to keep America out of war, even as they took one deliberate step after another to take us into war.

Yet the book is no polemic. The 50-page run-up to the war in the Pacific uses memoirs and documents from all sides to prove Hoover’s indictment. And perhaps the best way to show the power of this book is the way Hoover does it — chronologically, painstakingly, week by week.

Consider Japan’s situation in the summer of 1941. Bogged down in a four-year war in China she could neither win nor end, having moved into French Indochina, Japan saw herself as near the end of her tether.

Inside the government was a powerful faction led by Prime Minister Prince Fumimaro Konoye that desperately did not want a war with the United States.

The “pro-Anglo-Saxon” camp included the navy, whose officers had fought alongside the U.S. and Royal navies in World War I, while the war party was centered on the army, Gen. Hideki Tojo and Foreign Minister Yosuke Matsuoka, a bitter anti-American.

On July 18, 1941, Konoye ousted Matsuoka, replacing him with the “pro-Anglo-Saxon” Adm. Teijiro Toyoda.

The U.S. response: On July 25, we froze all Japanese assets in the United States, ending all exports and imports, and denying Japan the oil upon which the nation and empire depended.

Stunned, Konoye still pursued his peace policy by winning secret support from the navy and army to meet FDR on the U.S. side of the Pacific to hear and respond to U.S. demands.

U.S. Ambassador Joseph Grew implored Washington not to ignore Konoye’s offer, that the prince had convinced him an agreement could be reached on Japanese withdrawal from Indochina and South and Central China. Out of fear of Mao’s armies and Stalin’s Russia, Tokyo wanted to hold a buffer in North China.

On Aug. 28, Japan’s ambassador in Washington presented FDR a personal letter from Konoye imploring him to meet.

Tokyo begged us to keep Konoye’s offer secret, as the revelation of a Japanese prime minister’s offering to cross the Pacific to talk to an American president could imperil his government.

On Sept. 3, the Konoye letter was leaked to the Herald-Tribune.

On Sept. 6, Konoye met again at a three-hour dinner with Grew to tell him Japan now agreed with the four principles the Americans were demanding as the basis for peace. No response.

On Sept. 29, Grew sent what Hoover describes as a “prayer” to the president not to let this chance for peace pass by.

On Sept. 30, Grew wrote Washington, “Konoye’s warship is ready waiting to take him to Honolulu, Alaska, or anyplace designated by the president.”

No response. On Oct. 16, Konoye’s cabinet fell.

In November, the U.S. intercepted two new offers from Tokyo: a Plan A for an end to the China war and occupation of Indochina and, if that were rejected, a Plan B, a modus vivendi where neither side would make any new move. When presented, these, too, were rejected out of hand.

At a Nov. 25 meeting of FDR’s war council, Secretary of War Henry Stimson’s notes speak of the prevailing consensus: “The question was how we should maneuver them [the Japanese] into … firing the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves.”

“We can wipe the Japanese off the map in three months,” wrote Navy Secretary Frank Knox.

As Grew had predicted, Japan, a “hara-kiri nation,” proved more likely to fling herself into national suicide for honor than to allow herself to be humiliated

Out of the war that arose from the refusal to meet Prince Konoye came scores of thousands of U.S. dead, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, the fall of China to Mao Zedong, U.S. wars in Korea and Vietnam, and the rise of a new arrogant China that shows little respect for the great superpower of yesterday.

If you would know the history that made our world, spend a week with Mr. Hoover’s book.


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I respect those who fought on all sides of the conflicts.
And I remember the fallen.
Lest we forget.


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