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PostPosted: Apr 5th, '13, 13:51 
Hey... didn't say Julia was any better....

And what makes you think Abbott isn't.... "a lying, thieving, two faced, spineless puppet"

And exactly what are you referring to with regards to the last three months???


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Because he's an arrogant, bullying, dis-ingenuous, elitist, old ideologue.... stuck in the past... with no real vision for the future.... And only really interested in power for the sake of power... and playing the political game...

As opposed to JuLiar's redeeming qualities... which are?...


...give me a minute


...aaahhh


...one will come to me soon I'm sure


...aaahhh


...Nope!... I got nuthin...


...unless being a lying, thieving, two faced, spineless puppet is a redeeming quality!


...and "power for the sake of power"... where have you been for the last three years?... and the last three months in particular?


This is why we get shitty politicians, people justify tony the waste of space by saying "well look at the other one".
They both suck!

lol, rupert, you took the words right out of my mouth, I personally dont like people that are that religious either, i dont like how religion (its followers) have ruined the world.
Rupe, i meant you have nothing on me negativity wise, you may be negative, but i hold back alot on forums i respect.


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Where's Malcolm Turnbull when his country needs him?


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PostPosted: Apr 5th, '13, 14:13 
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but i hold back alot on forums i respect.

Ahhh... but now we're talking politics... and Abbott in particular.... so respect does enter into it...

No need to hold back.... :lol:


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I know Abbott was the one who help closed Ansett and some hospital beds also making it hard for nurses to make a living these days.

About the solar rebate we had the solar power panels fitted to our roof in hoping it will reduce our power bill which some power bills these days are up in the thousands but with these solar panels we had been coping with the power bills quite easy these days. My late father was the one who had them fitted had found that once they were in and working the power bills kept dropping.

Now with Aquaponics if they had a scheme to support average person who is trying to save when he/she cannot get out to do shopping because their old faithful car had died or became unroadworthy that the aquaponics would help them in a pickle to keep them going.

Some government parties are always the negative to help the little man unless it helps them in the long run like for example that GST was suppose to go back to local communities to help repair roads in the area. But has it, No it goes back to Canberra and not back in the states that need the funding to repair the roads. Has it? no. but when it comes up to the elections they send out teams to fix trouble road spots. Saying hey look I am getting the roads fixed for can you vote me back it. They always do it.

My point is that government should stop thinking of themselves but think of the people who really are their bosses who fire them or hire them.


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What a "bad person" Tony Abbott is!...

He's saved a child that was being swept out to sea...
He's saved children from a burning house...
He's a member of the Manly Surf Life Saving Club...
He's a member of the NSW Volunteer Rural Fire Service...
He's spent time teaching in remote Aboriginal communities on Cape York...

...what a bastard!!!...

...and his credentials in regards to possibly one day running the country...

He has a Bachelors degree in Law
He has a Bachelors degree in Economics
He is a Rhodes Scholar, studying Politics and Philosophy at Queens College Oxford
He's worked as the Manager of a concrete batching plant
He's worked as a Journalist for the Bulletin and The Australian
He keeps himself physically fit and has a tireless work ethic

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Who is Tony Abbott?

Overheard last week: "It's such a shame there isn't someone other than Tony Abbott as alternative Prime Minister.

We think the Gillard government is bad for the country, but it would be better if we had another Opposition leader to vote for."

It caused me to ask why that view might exist given Abbott's background, and I wondered if it might be that people do not know his history.

So, I have put together some information which might help get a better understanding of the man.

Abbott graduated from the University of Sydney with degrees in Bachelor of Laws (LLB) and Bachelor of Economics (BEc).

Then he became a Rhodes Scholar at Queens College Oxford UK in Politics and Philosophy.

He also won a boxing blue at Oxford.

He married Margaret in 1987 and has three daughters.

He is a member of the congregation of the Catholic Church.

He was involved in student politics, but beyond that, biographer Michael Duffy, wrote that during his student days he "........saved a child who was swept out to sea.

Another time, he helped save children from a burning house next to a pub where he was drinking.

On each occasion he disappeared before he could be properly thanked".

He is a member of Manly's Queenscliffe SLSC, and a member of the New South Wales Rural Fire Service,

both of which he joined before it was politically expedient to do so.

He spent several weeks teaching in remote Aboriginal settlements in Cape York in an effort 'to familiarise himself with indigenous issues'.

If you are wondering where some of the negativity attributed to Tony Abbott comes from,

go on to the Net and have a look at the comments which followed, 2 years ago, when he was asked by the Women's Weekly

"What advice would you give your three daughters on sex before marriage?"

He told the magazine: ‘’I would say to my daughters, if they were to ask me this question …

it is the greatest gift you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it up to someone lightly."

Yet, if you were to read many of the comments on the Internet and the print media at the time, you could be forgiven for thinking he was attempting to impose his will on all females in Australia, had ranted against women, had argued for Muslim like chastity, and so on...................

See for yourself - Google it! Gillard's response was to accuse Abbott of "lecturing women"???

I have also included a video of Abbott where he commented on, in what seems to me to be quite a balanced fashion, "climate change" yet the title of the video suggests he has been extreme in "denying climate change and advocating carbon tax". See what you think.

http://youtu.be/oPpQisoZqx4

Then have a look at the longer interview from which this original excerpt was taken

http://youtu.be/ZoCKhNr8Atk

Abbott has had a history of being told by 'ABC types' that he lacks compassion, does not understand homosexuality or homosexuals, avoids situations where he might need to face up to gay relationships, and so on. Again, because he was not prepared to reveal personal issues of others (ethics, principles,?), he did not speak about his own sister's lesbian relationship and the part he played in supporting her. It would have been an easy defence for him, but in line with his principles and values, he chose not to use it.

Granted, he is not a super smooth, off the cuff, speaker, and does not fit the orator mould.

But when he is compared to the glib tongues and untrustworthiness of Gillard, Rudd, Swan, etc.,

it is not difficult to determine which attributes are more important for the leadership of Australia.

After Abbott completed his studies, he became a journalist for The Bulletin and also the Australian.

For a time he was plant manager for Pioneer Concrete, then became press secretary for the then Opposition Leader, Dr John Hewson.

He was elected to Parliament in 1994 at a bi-election. He has held various Ministerial posts and his actions in those roles are a matter of public record . His work ethic is unquestioned.

He was dismayed at the policies of former leader Malcolm Turnbull relating to ETS, and following widespread disaffection with Turnbull's stance among Liberal Party members, threw his hat into the ring, as did Joe Hockey, for leadership of the Liberal Party. Abbott was successful.

At the time, the polls were running strongly against the Liberal Party (in the 40% approval range), while Kevin Rudd enjoyed figures around 60%

Within a short space of time, with Abbott as leader, those figures changed to such a degree that Rudd was replaced in the now infamous "faceless men" coup which installed Gillard.

Since that time, Abbott has maintained constant focus on the ever widening circle of disasters associated with the Gillard government to the stage where support for that government now hovers around the 30% mark.

Abbott, strikes me as a person of integrity, he has values in which I too believe, and ethics based on his Christian beliefs.

I would much rather place my trust in someone who, in his actions, has shown he is what he says, rather than someone who will say anything to gain a prospective advantage for themselves.


BY Mark LATHAM, Former Leader of A.L.P.


...and have a look who wrote the article!


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Mr Damage wrote:
What a "bad person" Tony Abbott is!...

He's saved a child that was being swept out to sea...
He's saved children from a burning house...
He's a member of the Manly Surf Life Saving Club...
He's a member of the NSW Volunteer Rural Fire Service...
He's spent time teaching in remote Aboriginal communities on Cape York...

...what a bastard!!!...

...and his credentials in regards to possibly one day running the country...

He has a Bachelors degree in Law
He has a Bachelors degree in Economics
He is a Rhodes Scholar, studying Politics and Philosophy at Queens College Oxford
He's worked as the Manager of a concrete batching plant
He's worked as a Journalist for the Bulletin and The Australian
He keeps himself physically fit and has a tireless work ethic

Quote:
Who is Tony Abbott?

Overheard last week: "It's such a shame there isn't someone other than Tony Abbott as alternative Prime Minister.

We think the Gillard government is bad for the country, but it would be better if we had another Opposition leader to vote for."

It caused me to ask why that view might exist given Abbott's background, and I wondered if it might be that people do not know his history.

So, I have put together some information which might help get a better understanding of the man.

Abbott graduated from the University of Sydney with degrees in Bachelor of Laws (LLB) and Bachelor of Economics (BEc).

Then he became a Rhodes Scholar at Queens College Oxford UK in Politics and Philosophy.

He also won a boxing blue at Oxford.

He married Margaret in 1987 and has three daughters.

He is a member of the congregation of the Catholic Church.

He was involved in student politics, but beyond that, biographer Michael Duffy, wrote that during his student days he "........saved a child who was swept out to sea.

Another time, he helped save children from a burning house next to a pub where he was drinking.

On each occasion he disappeared before he could be properly thanked".

He is a member of Manly's Queenscliffe SLSC, and a member of the New South Wales Rural Fire Service,

both of which he joined before it was politically expedient to do so.

He spent several weeks teaching in remote Aboriginal settlements in Cape York in an effort 'to familiarise himself with indigenous issues'.

If you are wondering where some of the negativity attributed to Tony Abbott comes from,

go on to the Net and have a look at the comments which followed, 2 years ago, when he was asked by the Women's Weekly

"What advice would you give your three daughters on sex before marriage?"

He told the magazine: ‘’I would say to my daughters, if they were to ask me this question …

it is the greatest gift you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it up to someone lightly."

Yet, if you were to read many of the comments on the Internet and the print media at the time, you could be forgiven for thinking he was attempting to impose his will on all females in Australia, had ranted against women, had argued for Muslim like chastity, and so on...................

See for yourself - Google it! Gillard's response was to accuse Abbott of "lecturing women"???

I have also included a video of Abbott where he commented on, in what seems to me to be quite a balanced fashion, "climate change" yet the title of the video suggests he has been extreme in "denying climate change and advocating carbon tax". See what you think.

http://youtu.be/oPpQisoZqx4

Then have a look at the longer interview from which this original excerpt was taken

http://youtu.be/ZoCKhNr8Atk

Abbott has had a history of being told by 'ABC types' that he lacks compassion, does not understand homosexuality or homosexuals, avoids situations where he might need to face up to gay relationships, and so on. Again, because he was not prepared to reveal personal issues of others (ethics, principles,?), he did not speak about his own sister's lesbian relationship and the part he played in supporting her. It would have been an easy defence for him, but in line with his principles and values, he chose not to use it.

Granted, he is not a super smooth, off the cuff, speaker, and does not fit the orator mould.

But when he is compared to the glib tongues and untrustworthiness of Gillard, Rudd, Swan, etc.,

it is not difficult to determine which attributes are more important for the leadership of Australia.

After Abbott completed his studies, he became a journalist for The Bulletin and also the Australian.

For a time he was plant manager for Pioneer Concrete, then became press secretary for the then Opposition Leader, Dr John Hewson.

He was elected to Parliament in 1994 at a bi-election. He has held various Ministerial posts and his actions in those roles are a matter of public record . His work ethic is unquestioned.

He was dismayed at the policies of former leader Malcolm Turnbull relating to ETS, and following widespread disaffection with Turnbull's stance among Liberal Party members, threw his hat into the ring, as did Joe Hockey, for leadership of the Liberal Party. Abbott was successful.

At the time, the polls were running strongly against the Liberal Party (in the 40% approval range), while Kevin Rudd enjoyed figures around 60%

Within a short space of time, with Abbott as leader, those figures changed to such a degree that Rudd was replaced in the now infamous "faceless men" coup which installed Gillard.

Since that time, Abbott has maintained constant focus on the ever widening circle of disasters associated with the Gillard government to the stage where support for that government now hovers around the 30% mark.

Abbott, strikes me as a person of integrity, he has values in which I too believe, and ethics based on his Christian beliefs.

I would much rather place my trust in someone who, in his actions, has shown he is what he says, rather than someone who will say anything to gain a prospective advantage for themselves.


BY Mark LATHAM, Former Leader of A.L.P.


...and have a look who wrote the article!


I dont go by what he has done as such, he comes across as very arrogant and very "wishy washy".
I did know some of what good he has done, not all.
I am afraid of what he will do, not what he has done.
I am particularly afraid of of the part i bolded, remember the last time one of these churchie guys was in... Iraq war anyone?
I am not trying to disparage all christians, but i am a believer in nature which tony and alot of religious people certainly are not. I personally feel that if you think nature is below you, you shouldnt be walking around -I.E. tasmanian loggers, who tend to think thier job is more important than anything, like they are robots only built to destroy and cannot change industries.


Eeeeeenyway, the government should give rebates for AP, water tanks, solar panels, solar hot water, wind turbines, etc. Stop funding sports crap, stop giving all to our money any charity that begs for it, stop sending money overseas, stop propping up dead industries..... give that money to future investments, more money should be given to research teams too.


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the government should give rebates for AP, water tanks, solar panels, solar hot water, wind turbines, etc.
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I am afraid of what he will do, not what he has done.
I am particularly afraid of of the part i bolded, remember the last time one of these churchie guys was in... Iraq war anyone?
Yavi, we would’ve entered into the Iraq conflict no matter who was in power at the time… Labor/Liberal… Religious/Non-Religious leader… and if you honestly think any differently you really shouldn’t be voting!... not on that basis at least.


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Yavi, we would’ve entered into the Iraq conflict no matter who was in power at the time… Labor/Liberal… Religious/Non-Religious leader… and if you honestly think any differently you really shouldn’t be voting!


Bit harsh MrD... Everyone has their right to vote... or not...

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Stop funding sports crap


Hell yeah.. One of the most interesting things I have heard this year so far, was a discussion about whether people who attend the institute of sport should have to pay for their training costs later on a HECS style, means tested scale.. Why is it that sports people get fully funded free, elite training and support, and can then go off into a lucrative sports career without having to pay a cent back?


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I dont vote on that basis, I would never vote for liberal or labour. I wouldnt vote for tony if was with any other party either though. :P
You see i always vote for the greens, i dont care what religions people are, until they tell me about it....


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you know sports get a lot of funding these days where as hospitals do not they have to beg for it.

But do you know a rugby player gets seen to first over a person who had cut their foot with and axe or a child who burnt on a kerosene heater.

As for Abbott party I remember before labour got in, many struggling families was on the verge of losing their homes due to high interest rate with their mortgages, Lower pay wages and high fuel cost now back then most families never even heard of Aquaponics. Even back then I never heard of it until now.

I feel the government needs a wake up call about what they doing when they just love fighting overseas instead of helping their own people. Like with mining they get top quota of getting the water for their digging underground when a farmer has to beg for the water for growing food for people to eat in a time of drought. I want to ask you this can you eat rocks that is dug out of a mine or would you eat produce grown in a farmers field.

All I am saying is that Aquaponics is helping people save for the future. because a packet of seeds bought at a hardware shop cost less in the supermarket bought produce.


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because a packet of seeds bought at a hardware shop cost less in the supermarket bought produce.

And it costs less than it costs... to make a bullet... :wink:


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"Abbott, strikes me as a person of integrity, he has values in which I too believe, and ethics based on his Christian beliefs."

Aside from the fact that religion should play no part in politics, this was the ethical Mr Abbott.

In 1998, Tony Abbott had established a trust fund called "Australians for Honest Politics Trust" to help bankroll civil court cases against the One Nation Party and its leader Pauline Hanson.[48] Prime Minister John Howard denied any knowledge of existence of such a fund.[49] Abbott was also accused of offering funds to One Nation dissident Terry Sharples to support his court battle against the party. However, Howard defended the honesty of Abbott in this matter.[50] Abbott conceded that the political threat One Nation posed to the Howard Government was "a very big factor" in his decision to pursue the legal attack, but he also claimed to be acting "in Australia's national interest". Howard also defended Abbott's actions saying "It's the job of the Liberal Party to politically attack other parties – there's nothing wrong with that."[51]

While I did not agree with Ms Hansen, this act was unethical and from memory led to perjury in the courts. Political attack is one thing what he did was not a political attack, it was cowardly and underhanded.


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PostPosted: Apr 6th, '13, 17:24 
You have to remember that Abbott cut his teeth in Uni politics.... and was mentored by B.A. Santamaria... who it was suggested was Hitler's snugglebuddy... and responsible for Eva Braun's several suicide attempts... :D

Abbott's involvement in Uni politics... was pretty colourful... here's an old SMH report...

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/ ... 11874.html


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