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the miners are currently fighting the government that the mining tax is illegal under the same set of rules coke used. apparently because each state charged different royalties, the application of a one price fits all tax means that each state essentially doenst have the same change in rate.

*frack* big corporations I say.

What's the link to that Jaymie?

Edited : Ok found it on the facebook page... http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/its ... tos_stream

We should all do this

I wonder if Australia Post will actually post that?

Silly thing is, if we all recycled the cans and bottles there is no tax. The only people who will pay more for their drinks will be the one who don't recycle. The ones who don't recycle probably don't care about 5 or 10 cents anyway.

My thoughts are that fully recyclable things should have a recycle value big enough that folks will not throw them in the rubbish bin./trash bin

Just to be fair Coke didn't kill the birds.
Why don't you sue people who are littering for killing the birds? They are after all more at fault than coke.
You don't sue the power company for someone using power to electrocute bats or for growing pot in the shed.
Maybe the councils should be sued for not properly picking up the rubbish on public land or storing rubbish properly in the dump. Surely they are more at fault.

And as if that bird has even 1% of any of coke's products in its stomach. Do you know how tough those bottles are ? you can run over them with a bulldozer 6000 times and they will still be in one piece.
The first picture looks like a complete lie to me (not the plastic part, the coke part). Seriously by what mechanism did coke bottles get turned into those tiny little pieces of plastic the bird ate ?
It looks like coke is just an easy target in this instance.

What I would like to know is, how the rubbish gets into the waterways to start off with when it is the governments job to collect almost 100% of the rubbish we accumulate. I don't think all that rubbish in the sea is a result of the odd bunch of drunken teenagers throwing rubbish around.
So how does it get there ?

I have no problem anyone boycotting buying softdrink, I never drink the stuff. I don't agree with vandalism, but making a public campaign to boycott them, if successful would be a great way of sending a message (whatever that is)

I just find this a little confusing, as there are two topics going on that may or may not be related.

1. rubbish in the water killing birds
2. coke objecting to government intervention in the free exchange of products.

I won't comment on the tax/government intervention issue


EDIT: Thanks for the invite Ron

The government isn't interfering in the free exchange of products...

A state government.. merely wanted a free exchange of 10 cents... in return for removal of an environmental pollutant...

Sounds like a free market philosophy to me....

That would be a big enough value to who Mantis? An individual, society or a council or corporation. Most people are self centered bankers who don't give a flying frack. There are very few laws I would change and some I would roll back (well a lot actually) but acting against pollution should be ingrained into every child in this country and people who put everything into non recyclables into landfill should be penalised by paying a shit load more for doing it.
I work and volunteer at a landfill site; when people are told they have to pay x for a CRT or computer system they go no we will not dump it, and do you know what happens then? Pulling CRT's out of a ditch part filled with water is not a fun exercise, and costs everyone.

Are you just fishing, or what SV?

Yeh, but Coke are the ones that mounted the legal challenge to legislation that by all accounts could’ve reduced soft drink litter by up to 80%... according to SA stats.

Are you for real?... or just taking the piss?... The government, local, state, or federal, isn’t, or shouldn't be responsible for picking up litter left by retards too ignorant to throw it in a bin… Local councils, Water authorities, Main Roads etc do pick it up, because otherwise rate payers and tax payers would crack the sh!ts… but I certainly don’t think they are obligated too. Councils do have to empty our rubbish bins, because they are paid via our shire rates to do that.

What???... It gets there exactly how you suggested... F—kwits, not necessarily teenagers, dropping their rubbish in the street. On a number of occasions I’ve witnessed people waiting in cars at intersections just wind down their windows and give their car a clean out, fast food boxes, drink bottles, smoke packs.

We have 4 large lakes in our estate, into which runs the storm water from the entire estate. I walk past one of the main storm water inlets into the largest lake quite often. It has a large net over it to catch the litter before it enters the lake, after a heavy down pour, like we had today and last week, there could easily be a ute load of rubbish in the net… and that’s only one of a number of storm water inlets into the lakes... and that's only one estate, in one suburb, in one city.

The same would be happening with all the stormwater drains that run into the Swan... and I can't recall seeing a net over any of them. How much crap goes into the stormwater around the world every year... and in most coastal cities the stormwater goes directly into the ocean or rivers.

Have a look on youtube, the oceans are absolutely littered with plastics, from large, intact items, to small fragments, mostly made up of plastic bottles that have degraded after years floating in our oceans. Haven’t you seen the doco of the massive sea of plastic in the North Pacific?... it’s mostly made up of small particles, most of which is from drink bottles.

The NT government implemented a scheme to reduce rubbish getting into their waterways and killing wildlife… a scheme as mentioned before, that has been a great success elsewhere… and Coke fought it in court because it might affect their sales!... so they are related topics... and why shouldn’t Coke be the target of peoples anger?

Sorry Werdna, Lion now owns and distributes Little creatures. The private company was sold off last year.

Walk along the shore on Christmas Island, East Timor or many places in that region and you see where a lot of the crap is coming from.

White styrofoam fast food containers, thongs, drink bottles and mounds of other un-identifiable plastic rubbish on any shore that has the right conditions to collect junk.

This video I found shows it a bit, but I have seen it far worse when I was there.

FWIW I have been drinking Mexican Coke in glass bottles (Mexican because sugar instead of corn syrup) problem solved? (The bottles get recycled BTW)