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lol.. not true. I ran successful syphons for well over a year.. I simply see no point for them.... no point at all.

ohhh - i agree Charlie, new systems (bigger ones) will be CF however all the issues i see could be fixed if people understand "how they work"

Fair call brother, fair call

I dont 'hate' syphons or dislike them so I hope no one gets me wrong. I just dont need them

I see the better side to actually

Like ive seen the side that 80 fish in an IBC just-isnt-right

Never said I didn't like syphons. However you are all, (a),(ab),(b),(bc) or simply (c); not that there is anything wrong with the last one.

I don't run siphons.... and in over 5 years... I've only had a timer stop twice....

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So your system has stopped twice in 5 years due to timer failure... my siphon's been going well over two years and has never failed... contrary to your selective editing Rupe.

So your siphon(s) didn't work properly twice in two years.... my overflow standpipe didn't work properly twice in 5 years...

... contrary to your selective editing Yabbies...


P.S... what caused the failure of your siphon... sorry.. I mean your unspecified system problems...

Was it the pumps you use... that don't turn on sometimes.. after you've turned them off to feed your fish....

No… since I nutted out the basics of siphon design a few years back I’ve never had a siphon fail… EVER!... in any system. Yes, I've had one that has stopped a couple of times, but that was due to lack of maintenance, or pump failure, both of which would’ve rendered any other type of system inoperable, or not operating as it should… whereas your timers have failed twice at least.

In the system in question I did have a pump that occasionally didn’t restart after I turned it off to feed my fish each day, but it was only every few months and it was when it needed a clean… again it comes down to maintenance. But whenever it didn't restart I was right there flicking the switch, so I was there to clean it out and restart it… so no issue.

The pump not restarting after feeding wasn’t a matter of pump brand, which BYAP also sell, so bag away if you feel inclined… it was a matter of maintenance and it doesn’t matter what type of system it was in, it would’ve had the same issue and needed cleaning, so…

...Thank you Rupe for making my point and highlighting why a system running a siphon and a pump that runs 24/7 is much more reliable than a system running a timer that stops and starts the pump however many times a day. If that system had been running a timer, the pump would’ve at some point done the same thing and not restarted… but nobody would’ve been there flicking the switch and listening for the flow of water… the fish very well would’ve been fish soup.

Thank you for reaffirming my faith in siphons... and my disdain for timers... coming from someone with extensive experience it's reassuring.

Cheers!...

Proved your case...

On the contrary... all it's done.. is prove your personal preference... which you're entitled to... but highlighted that your distain for timers... is just based on your preference.. not on fact...

As you say BYAP runs the same pumps... based on timers.... and always have... so it's not about the pumps...

And even in the two occurances in over 5 years of my experience.. and client systems... where a timer has failed... the systems wouldn't have didn't become fish soups... unless unattended... or un-noticed, due to absence.. any more that a pump failure in a siphoned system would have.. if you weren't there....

The two Holmes-A-Court systems ran, until closing.... without a timer failure... with one pump failure...

The two Wallaby Hill systems... have run for over two years... without a timer, or pump failure...

The St Vinnes two systems... have run for over two years... without a timer, or pump failure (both FT and sump)

And I've not had reports of any timer failures from any other client systems... (they might have??)... and only one pump failure... one of the Chinese made Ebaras...

And my multiple timer based systems.... always at least two.... over more than 5 years... with the systems outdoors and exposed to the weather (sometimes viscious)... have had two timer failures... and a couple of capacitor issues (Ebaras)....

Your distain of timers... is merely a matter of preference Yabbies... but not a matter of fact...

I mean to say... if timers were such a big issue.. as you suggest... then BYAP wouldn't be selling timer based systems.. would they....

So I'm happy to bow to the experience of Joel and BYAP..... their business model depends on their knowledge.. and experience...

My thoughts as well. They seem like complexity for complexities sake. Not that i have anything against that

Same goes for timers.

Holden....

Ford.....

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Ford...






They're both cars man.....

This is exactly the same argument as V8 v Turbo, cylinders v rotary, all do the job, but no-one will respect the others choice.
Its a revolving argument, what, do we all have to be sheep following each other, what a boring life it would be.

taking the p1ss or arguing over 'mines better that yours' is just sad.