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But he never hurt anyone... By that same logic, helomec threatening that he will "kill the scum bag" would also mean that helomec could rightly be killed by the pen totting amputee, or anyone else for that matter for making threats and putting the "scum bag" in fear of his life....

Now stop making stuff up. If that scum bag is trying to hurt or kill someone else yes. I never said just because they are scumbags they should be killed. Either show me where I said that or be a man and admit you are wrong.

My guns bigger than your gun... therefore I'm right...

Shoot first... and prove your point by disposing of the bodies...

Doesn't matter, in Texas law I can use deadly force against a threat before I get hurt. Unlike some other countries I can actually defend my own life. Had he complied with the orders he would be alive today, that is where he chose to make a stupid decision.

No he can't legally. I will kill someone if I have to in order to protect my own life, or the life of another innocent person. Heck in Texas I can use deadly force to stop theft of property.

Really. Wow.

Yes you did....

Do you not see the part about my life in there? It has nothing to do with anything else.

Yes if he was trying to kill me I would do my best to kill him first. That has nothing to do with anything other than protecting my life. And since a law abiding citizen would not try to kill me, that only leaves the scum bags. You really should put the rest of the quote in, unless you are intentionally trying to make something look a certain way. Hey are you a politician?

Well I am done for tonight. Been up for the last 22 hours taking my wife to have surgery. Will take this back up after a good nights sleep.

Yes an idiot to use your word. Someone who was mentally ill and was not capable of making the decisions that were required to ensure that he didn't get himself shot.



No I would rather they had the training so that they did not get themselves in a position where they felt the need to shoot someone. We have this same problem in Victoria and the police sadly do not have the training to deal with the mentally ill to increase the likely hood of a good outcome or at least not a tragic one (tragic being dead police officer or dead patient).



Again I think your knowledge on mental illness is lacking. In Victoria we have had a number of deaths from the mentally ill being shot by police who were not up to the task that they were called to deal with. Those individuals ended up dead as a result of their illness and the police not having the training to deal with what was before them. It had nothing to do with the mentally ill making a decision to disobey the instructions of the police or them deciding to break the law.



Maybe their politics after all how could your politics resemble both fascist and communist parties. However the lack of value that they placed on human life is what enabled them to kill those that did not agree with them.



You have suggested that people who are on remand/jail should have their suicides facilitated, you have suggested that the double amputee living in a home for the mentally ill was not wasting oxygen ("One less oxygen bandit.") you have said the this mentally ill individual deserved to die. Now it would make sense that based on your most recent comment that you did not realize that the individual in question was mentally ill. However, if that was the case how was I to know that.

And what about his rights? He was rightly in fear of his life. Hey, he ended up dying.. He had no right to defend himself, even with a pen....?

Tough EB... he had the right... it was just that his pen wasn't as big as their guns...

Fair fight....

Would it have been fair if the cop killed him with a sword?

Of course Simo... afterall... the pen is supposed to be mightier than the sword...

No, a pen is mightier than a sword, even though it probably was a felt tipped one

Very quick today Rupe

Helomech
Get some rest and I hope all is well with your wife.

Thats a cultural thing.

In Europe a life(incl. criminals) is valued higer than property.

Good luck with your wife

cheers

I'm not.

I just can't see how the actions of the police, on this matter, can be justified.
(and unlike you, I'm not "a liberal")
It carries the signatur, of a violent and totalitarian police state IMO.

cheers