Jail in north America

Ronmaggi

It could also be that San Diego is a military town. All marines from west of the Mississippi go through it. Coronado, San Diego counties most densely populated town sits between two separate navy bases, one is a naval air station that also houses three Nimitz class aircraft carriers, the other is where people go to become navy seals. Plus, we're on the border, so peoples tolerance of law enforcement is higher. Plus, everyone has guns.

Zubin

Visited Coronado tridents when I was serving, and also shot with them for few days and nights at Coalinga range. That is the range that was used during my time.
San Diego is really different from other big cities. Also some of the crime there comes from south of the boarder.

SolTun

helomech wrote:

SolTun wrote:

keith wrote:

that it's a cultural thing.. but where does that culture come from?

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/09/23/us/te ... index.html

cheers

That meets the definition of a legal shoot in Texas even if it wasn't a police a civilian still could have shot this guy legally.

Yeah I know. I'w lived in the US, its a cultural thing
In most of Europe it is not a incident, it's a liquidation to shot a cripeld lunitic in the head, even for a police officer. (cultural thing).
I giggeld when I saw it (avfull "incident" not funny) but it made me think of King Arthur's (UK) fight with the Black Knight (he is more fearsome than the Knights of NI (and those that used to say NI).
Not much difference to the threat the PO must have felt (a pen is a fearsome tool), and the guy didn't stick up his hands (only had one, and it was full of a pen, hehe), so I gues he didn't comply, and he was rolling his weelchair around with his one leg cornering a PO, so ........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjEcj8Kp ... re=related
I bet Arthur would have aimed for the arm or leg if he had a gun ? (cultural thing?)

helomech

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Yeah I know. I'w lived in the US, its a cultural thing
In most of Europe it is not a incident, it's a liquidation to shot a cripeld lunitic in the head, even for a police officer. (cultural thing).
I giggeld when I saw it (avfull "incident" not funny) but it made me think of King Arthur's (UK) fight with the Black Knight (he is more fearsome than the Knights of NI (and those that used to say NI).
Not much difference to the threat the PO must have felt (a pen is a fearsome tool), and the guy didn't stick up his hands (only had one, and it was full of a pen, hehe), so I gues he didn't comply, and he was rolling his weelchair around with his one leg cornering a PO, so ........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjEcj8Kp ... re=related
I bet Arthur would have aimed for the arm or leg if he had a gun ? (cultural thing?)

What do you mean it is liquidation? I don't get it.

Even a guy with one arm and a pen can pose a threat to someone. Why should a officer put himself in danger to take a POS like this? Either comply, and have your day in court, or don't and get carried by 6. This guy would have just complied it would have been over, he choose to fight and he lost. No great loss to society that is for sure. One less oxygen bandit.

Ronmaggi

I think a taser would have been a better solution. My homicide detective brother very much prefers a taser. They aren't perfect either, but at least the person lives to stand trial.

SolTun

helomech wrote:

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What do you mean it is liquidation? I don't get it.

Thats "the cultural thing" US vs Europe

helomech wrote:

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Even a guy with one arm and a pen can pose a threat to someone. Why should a officer put himself in danger to take a POS like this? Either comply, and have your day in court, or don't and get carried by 6. This guy would have just complied it would have been over, he choose to fight and he lost. No great loss to society that is for sure. One less oxygen bandit.

? again a cultural thing I gues?

In most of Europe if you are a Zcitzo bipolar wheelchair invalid, with one arm (and one leg)
Hardly any hostile, hospital, dissabled-home or the like, would be assisted(or ask for police) to calm down, a "lunitic" asking for cigarettes/sodapop, by armed police, or police at all (again cultural thing).

The "luni" would most probably be given a smoke and a sodapop or offerd a drink ? (cultural)

The "incident" or "execution" wich ever dosen't matter it's a cultural thing IMO

cheers

Curly

Ronmaggi wrote:

I think a taser would have been a better solution. My homicide detective brother very much prefers a taser. They aren't perfect either, but at least the person lives to stand trial.

Obviously I wasn't there, but I con't see how even using a Taser could be justified.

A Taser should be used as a non lethal alternative to a gun, for the self protection of the officer in question. It shouldn't be used as a compliance tool in place of reasoning/restraining someone. The guy is in a wheelchair - surely there was a better way to deal with the situation than shooting/tasing them? Maybe err, retreat up a couple of stairs and wait for him get it out of his system?

Ronmaggi

If I recall, one officer was cornered. So retreat was not an option. Yes, getting tased would suck, but at least no one dies or suffers permanent injury. The care facility probably should have sedated him before it got to the point where he was a danger to others, but hey I'm not a doctor. Even medicating someone against their will I have an issue with, I filter the fluoride out of the water I drink and use non-fluoridated toothpaste.

earthbound

helomech wrote:

Even a guy with one arm and a pen can pose a threat to someone. Why should a officer put himself in danger to take a POS like this? Either comply, and have your day in court, or don't and get carried by 6. This guy would have just complied it would have been over, he choose to fight and he lost. No great loss to society that is for sure. One less oxygen bandit.

No less right to the oxygen on this planet than you have helomech...

SolTun

Ronmaggi wrote:

If someone you know is locked up for an unreasonable ammount of time without a fair trial, contact Amnesty International. They will start a letter writing champaign. When someone realizes that people know that they have incarcerated some one without due process, they usually release the prisoner right away.

Yeah good idea contact Amnesty I. a letter writing champaign would surly get the prisoner relesed right away. (as in no time at all hehe)

Here is their adres you can sign up on a ongoing campain (a decade old)
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/guantana ... 2012-01-11

When someone realizes that people know that they have incarcerated some one without due process, they usually release the prisoner right away. :lol:

cheers

SolTun

Ronmaggi wrote:

The care facility probably should have sedated him before it got to the point where he was a danger to others

I tottaly agree with you here.

Ronmaggi wrote:

but hey I'm not a doctor. Even medicating someone against their will I have an issue with

I,m neither a Doc, but I think he asked for his medication, but the care taker denied him this.
Thats what upset the patient in the first place.
So instead of giving the guy medicine (a puff and a pop) calming him down, they called the police.

:lol:

Sleepe

"If I recall, one officer was cornered. So retreat was not an option."

Ron
I suggest you read the article again, I don't know why this stupid thread got started but getting cornered by someone with one arm and one leg (in a wheelchair and armed with a texta pen) is illogical( and untrue according to his? partner); explain how, if he was threatening with the pen he could move the wheelchair?
If this was in OZ that cop would have been charged. I certainly would not appreciate some DAF idiot being given a gun.

Ronmaggi

Just because someone has a disability does not mean that they can not be dangerous. While I think that shooting the guy was excessive, I do not believe that teasing him would have been. Perfect, no, but it would not have made headlines either, and we would not even be discussing it.

RupertofOZ

Ronmaggi wrote:

While I think that shooting the guy was excessive, I do not believe that teasing him would have been.

Heck no.... I reckon they should taunted the hell out of him... wasn't like the cripple was gunna jump out of his wheelchair... and bite their bloody kneecaps off.. was it... :laughing3:

RupertofOZ

Heck... they could have even run around him... spraying pepper spray into his face.... prodding him with a cattle prod... even slapping him from behind with a truncheon....

But shooting him was just so much quicker and humane... :roll:

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