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PostPosted: Jul 9th, '06, 00:01 
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I found this article by Wilson Lennard that I hadn't found before, it's well worth a read and I felt deserved it's own thread.

He talks about some amazingly heavy stocking densities in aquaponics systems.... :shock:


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so, according to what is in that article, I can run more growbeds on fewer Barramundi than talapia - I like that news a lot as I will be sticking with my barra for some time to come! :)


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:thumbright: just finished reading it all - and I like it! Basically he has given what we are doing a huge thumbs up! :thumbleft:
This is the type of stuff more people need to read


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Nice! I think the stocking densities are used for an equation rather than actual densities?

I think 0.75 m2 of fruiting and vegetative plants for 1 kg carnivores
The scientist says 0.6 of lettuce for 1 kg carnivore

The difference I think is in the solids. However, he was talking a flow rate of 1 x per hour.
I use a flow rate of 10 times per hour.
So what is worth more. The extra power or the extra growth?


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would'nt a slower flow rate equate to plants being able to draw more nutrient from the water - or do they draw the same amount no matter what the flow rate? :?:


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I'd assume they use the same irespective of flow rate.

My understanging is that plants use a combination of osmosis and capilary action, so as long as the roots have liquid around them of X concentration the flow should not really matter

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I did wonder whether the stocking rates were purely for calculations.... :? I guess there is still a fair amount of serious research that needs to go into so many different areas of aquaponics still, like flow rates... There is probably more info on things like that in Wilsons thesis, that would be an interesting read...


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This bit was interesting.....

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If a gravel substrate is used for plant growth and support, the need for a separate biological filter to process fish wastes is removed. The gravel substrate within a hydroponic component of an aquaponic system acts as the substrate for nitrification bacteria, just as a biological filter would. This lowers the costs of system production, as separate biofilters are not needed. It has even been suggested and proven (Rakocy & Hargreaves, 1993) that hydroponic components without gravel can replace biofilters. Floating hydroponic systems have been shown to have the required biofiltering capacity just because of the surface area provided for nitrifying bacteria upon the submerged plant roots, which have a collective huge surface area. In addition, plants will directly uptake a proportion of ammonia and nitrite and therefore if or when biofiltration may be lacking, the danger period for toxic ammonia effects is lowered in aquaponic systems. Some researchers have even suggested that solids filtering isn’t required within aquaponic systems, as the gravel substrate provides adequate area for mineralisation to useable nutrients.

The question of what type of hydroponic component is most suited to aquaponic systems invariably rises. Gravel culture, floating culture and NFT (nutrient film technique) technologies have all been used in aquaponic situations, with each having its own advantages. Gravel as substrate seems to be able to provide micronutrients to plants because of its extremely slow, but constant break down. Gravel will also exhibit a certain degree of buffering capacity, depending upon its mineral make-up. Work at RMIT University has shown that floating culture has the ability to remove just as much nutrient from the system as gravel culture and because no gravel is involved there is an increased ability for minerals (buffers!) released to act within the water instead of adhering to gravel particles. NFT also has advantages, such as the fact that it is commonly used in standard hydroponics, and is therefore well understood, as well as the cost effectiveness of its installation. To my mind, aquaponics using gravel is well suited to small-scale systems where its inherent weight is not so much a disadvantage to contend with, where as floating and NFT are more suited to large-scale systems where economics become a larger factor.


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I like gravel beds tooo....... :D :thumbleft:


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Yes that makes perfect sense. He's also explaining a bit on the root zones becoming bio-filters - why I can run a system 1:1. So long as continuous cropping is employed the lack of biofilter should not be an issue as there is not in fact any lack.

What he's not said, is that floating culture (DWC) takes all available groundspace. Suitable for outdoor operations but gets expensive a lot faster indoors unless used on taller crops like tomatoes and climbers.

Water circulation 10 times an hour could provide more nutrient. I use circulation for oxygen and water health. Plants take what they want when they want it and a water body circulating more will move more particulates over a root surface than one moving less. Of course there is a point of diminishing returns there somewhere where the flow is detrimental and may in fact strip bacteria from the root zone rather than use it to attract more nutrients.

Free floating particles in water are attracted to mass and bio-film is naturally sticky in more ways than one. Bacteria encapsulate and attract passing bacteria and particles utilising brownian motion, caused by the random buffeting of molecules, and once bacteria come near to surfaces, various fluid dynamic forces take effect: Van der Waals forces and electrostatic interactions.

Put simply, the nutrients and bio-film are attracted to each other :wink: and if they get put in the same room together chemistry happens. The chances of them having nitrate babies is well increased by running them by each other more often.

This as applies to my (limited) knowledge of DWC recirculating systems and their workings.


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Actually, AA, becasue the bacteria needs specific contact time with the nitrate molecule to convert it via its chemical reaction with ATP high flow rates are detrimental.

Its not like the plants that will absorb nutrients and do with them as they will inside the plant.

There is research data that supports this.

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I don't think you understood my post.

I'm saying they adhere.

And I did mention a point of diminishing returns.

And there is an Aqua scientist says just the opposite but that's contentious in a mainly ebb and flow community.


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Sorry Steve

I'm tired and real worried over Mum I was a bit abrupt.


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No worries AA, to be honest i didn't read your post as slowly as i should, i've had it in my mind to post that info about water speed through a biofilter so as soon as i saw it mentioned i posted it.

Hope i haven't missed a post............hope all is well at home :)

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Well Mums got cancer just been opened up and several organs fused to each other making it inoperable. Her platelet count is doubled which could indicate bone marrow degeneration making chemo out of the question as well.

I'm trying to keep my chin up but taking it pretty hard. I'll go back to topic now and try be civil it's not anyone's fault I'm hurting it's just, you know, life.

That article certainly warrants further investigation and discussion.


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