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PostPosted: Jul 23rd, '12, 20:14 
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For some reason, I am seeing SV as a pimple faced kid behind a computer trolling us.
Either that or SV seriously needs to get some life experience.

Please don't judge others because you don't agree with their views. A constructive comment might be about what you actually disagree with, and you reasoning for the disagreement.

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SV, your comment about welfare sounds like government propaganda. I know of many people who have chosen to be on welfare whilst working cash in hand. Hardly the soul crushing predicament you write about.
Govt propaganda? If you said anti-govt then at least its the right way round...

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In you world without the government I could walk around killing people and as long as I have a bigger knife/gun/bomb I am ok.

I have never advocated violence against another person.
It is common to think that because the the govt doesn't provide a service that the service wont be provided. However this is far from reasonable.
The government does generally not provide food and yet we have vast global networks doing just that, allowing you to have in one meal tomatoes from Italy and Dats from Iran. Pretty amazing and yet somehow it happens via free enterprise.
Shopping malls employ private security guards to deter and catch criminals should they steal from a shop. It is not too much a stretch to employ a private police force to protect your street/suburb from theives. I would argue that a private police force would be much better than the public ones we have as well. Like a restaurant the would be forced to compete with the BEST service to their customers.


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PostPosted: Jul 23rd, '12, 20:26 
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A global super-rich elite had at least $21 trillion (£13tn) hidden in secret tax havens by the end of 2010, according to a major study.

The figure is equivalent to the size of the US and Japanese economies combined.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18944097
.............bring on the revolution


Wow, crazy amounts of money. The title is apt too "global super-rich elite"
However not even close to the amount of money they have control over.
These guys are the owners and controllers of the banks, pharmaceutical/chemical companies etc.
and controllers of the super cartels.

These guys hate the free market and hate competition. They use regulation and laws to totally prevent competition. When these guys go to court for law violations they always get of scott free. They go the to meetings like the Bilderberg and CFR conferences. People such as Rockerfeller, Rothschild, Morgans, Kuhn Loeb... the list is long.


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Another string of posts, just trying to respond to everyone ;)
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Large companies can avoid competition through their larger bank accounts, one simple way is to just acquire the competition. This is a pattern that Microsoft followed well throughout the eighties and nineties. As someone who works in an industry that is nearly monopolized by a billion-dollar company I can tell you it is hard to compete even when you have a product that is superior in several ways to the large company's product. Once a company becomes much larger than the competition they can simply push out other companies, by outspending them on marketing and advertising and acquiring mindshare through $. After awhile the tendency to monopoly is irresistible. After that there is no "free market".


It is true that large companies can offer economies of scale and have the advantage with large marketing networks. However as long as it is POSSIBLE for competition to enter the marketplace and compete (with the laws/regulations stopping them) then I don't think there is a problem with this.
Micrsoft just make the product that everyone wants. Its as simple as that.
Look at the competition. Apple makes an OS that only runs on their own expensive Apple computers. The million different Linux variants are simply harder to use. Even today with some of the fantastic GUIs available for Linux, the difference between all the types makes it too hard for the majority of users to understand and learn how to use.
Linux is always getting better, it is even used on some of the Asus eeePCs. A mass produced product !
So untill someone actually produces a better product in terms of quality, price, AND useability Microsoft will continue to dominate the sales.
So the market is basically "free"

Ill give some examples of REAL monopolies.
Police force
Road owner (mostly)
provider of currency
provider of sewerage, electricity (Aus), water


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Im surprised this thread is still going....


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Im surprised this thread is still going....

not only that, it must be close to the record for number of posts and especially views in a short period of time..


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What is the cause of all of these issues?

Rothschild family of bankers who are the head of accosiation of bank owners.

The rest is all side shows to keep so many of us busy! But some of the side shows are very interesting!


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I have never advocated violence against another person.
It is common to think that because the the govt doesn't provide a service that the service wont be provided. However this is far from reasonable.
The government does generally not provide food and yet we have vast global networks doing just that, allowing you to have in one meal tomatoes from Italy and Dats from Iran. Pretty amazing and yet somehow it happens via free enterprise.
Shopping malls employ private security guards to deter and catch criminals should they steal from a shop. It is not too much a stretch to employ a private police force to protect your street/suburb from theives. I would argue that a private police force would be much better than the public ones we have as well. Like a restaurant the would be forced to compete with the BEST service to their customers.


Proves my point. If there ie no gov then I can walk around and kill indescriminately as long as my weapon is bigger.

How do you hire without money?

I guess you won't answer this so here is your cherrypick comment.

You show a distinct lack of ability to hold a line of argument except the gov conspiracy one. This is.t an insult rather an observation. One made from my mind not from Google.


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What is the cause of all of these issues?

Rothschild family of bankers who are the head of accosiation of bank owners.

The rest is all side shows to keep so many of us busy! But some of the side shows are very interesting!


Indeed. And we know the Rothschilds and Morgans and others got the banking cartel approved and made law in 1913, the year the Federal Reserve Act was passed by congress.


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Proves my point.

How so ?
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If there ie no gov then I can walk around and kill indescriminately as long as my weapon is bigger.

And no one would care would they ? No one would step in and stop you?
If someone started shooting the people in your neighbourhood one by one, and there were no cops, you would just sit there and wait to be shot ?
People defend themselves, if no one will do it for them the will do it themselves, before long a private security service is formed.

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How do you hire without money?

Everyone has money, if they don't then they don't produce.
You have money, I have money, my neighbours all have money. So we get together and pay a private cop to walk around once or twice a night and to be on call.

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I guess you won't answer this so here is your cherrypick comment.

Now see these are the kind of comments that just shows everyone else reading this that you don't have an open mind and just want to attack someone with different views than you. It really isn't necessary mate.

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You show a distinct lack of ability to hold a line of argument except the gov conspiracy one. This is.t an insult rather an observation. One made from my mind not from Google.

Well I have answered all your points. When you counter argue I will answer all of those too. I will also disect each point and we can get to the underlying issues of each one. What more do you want ?


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I think super veg is a spam bot.

Watermelons will rule the earth one day, as logic usually wins out in the end.
It will probably be a wasteland due to short sighted greed, based on massively undervaluing finite resources and undervaluing the cost of environmental vandalism.
All this destruction just so a small minority of people can have gold plated corn cob holders at the expense of the planet we live on.

The sooner we hang the greedy from lamp posts and wipe our arses with their worthless money the better the world will be


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I think super veg is a spam bot.

Watermelons will rule the earth one day, as logic usually wins out in the end.
It will probably be a wasteland due to short sighted greed, based on massively undervaluing finite resources and undervaluing the cost of environmental vandalism.
All this destruction just so a small minority of people can have gold plated corn cob holders at the expense of the planet we live on.

The sooner we hang the greedy from lamp posts and wipe our arses with their worthless money the better the world will be


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Just a little clip of a voice of reason vs the creature




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What you wrote would be garbage if you debated this in person.

I said no gov = I can do anything I want such as kill as long as I have bigger gun.

Have you watched movies like book of Eli, walking dead, heck....even resident evil.

I also fail to understand how money is going to be valued without someone backing it.

I also cannot see how you can produce enough to sell to get the non existant money. Do you have a personal sweatshop in your backyard?

No gov = no money = force wins

Not the utopia you are pulling out of somewhere.



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Proves my point.

How so ?
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If there ie no gov then I can walk around and kill indescriminately as long as my weapon is bigger.

And no one would care would they ? No one would step in and stop you?
If someone started shooting the people in your neighbourhood one by one, and there were no cops, you would just sit there and wait to be shot ?
People defend themselves, if no one will do it for them the will do it themselves, before long a private security service is formed.

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How do you hire without money?

Everyone has money, if they don't then they don't produce.
You have money, I have money, my neighbours all have money. So we get together and pay a private cop to walk around once or twice a night and to be on call.

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I guess you won't answer this so here is your cherrypick comment.

Now see these are the kind of comments that just shows everyone else reading this that you don't have an open mind and just want to attack someone with different views than you. It really isn't necessary mate.

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You show a distinct lack of ability to hold a line of argument except the gov conspiracy one. This is.t an insult rather an observation. One made from my mind not from Google.

Well I have answered all your points. When you counter argue I will answer all of those too. I will also disect each point and we can get to the underlying issues of each one. What more do you want ?


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SuperVeg wrote:
It is common to think that because the the govt doesn't provide a service that the service wont be provided. However this is far from reasonable.
The government does generally not provide food and yet we have vast global networks doing just that, allowing you to have in one meal tomatoes from Italy and Dats from Iran. Pretty amazing and yet somehow it happens via free enterprise.


That, once again is cherry picking information and oversimplifying. This is why your argument is not an argument, it's fantasy.

These topics have really just turned into political barrow pushing, it's not a debate, it's blind faith in a political belief, and political or religious barrows don't really belong on this forum.

How about you join a political forum for this sort of discussion, and save AP and food production discussions for this forum?


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