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So have any of you American's actually listened to what Ron Paul says, read his books, listened to his speeches or anything ?
Especially those of you who are concerned about the slow destruction of the constitution...

We gunna start that debate again?

The ones who might be interested in Ron Paul's ideas have had plenty of time to learn about him, he's been running for president for a good while. I've seen what happens when people who do not believe that government can do anything well or good are elected. I'd rather elect people who do think that the government has a legitimate role. The "starve the beast" meme just makes things suck harder, when applied to a government that is the only backstop to corporate greed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast

slightly different colour of the same debate isn't it ?

I can see right now what happens when govt is the protector of corporate greed (and just pretends to be the "backstop")

So ummm, hows the economy doing ?
How's employment going ?
How's the future of the US dollar as a world reserve currency looking ?

The "Starve the Beast" thing is ridiculous (I havent even heard of it before, as an entity anyway)


Deficit spending doesn't starve anything, it feeds the beast. No president in recent history has even attempted to reduce government, despite all the rhetoric...

Yes, he is the only one I am voting for in the next election. I fully expect him to run as an independent.

He is for a constitutional government and that is not what we have now. Our government is in every aspect of our lives and they only have a few listed powers, but they don't care. The federal government needs to be put back in its place. He does believe the government has a legitimate role, as set in the constitution. What about government greed? It is worse than corporate greed.

Exactly right. If any American believes the constitution is important or should be followed then the ONLY option is Ron Paul. If you disagree with this then you have absolutely no idea what the constitution says.

There is a reason that Jefferson and Jackson killled the banks. This is the same reason some parts of the constitution were written. This is the same reason Ron Paul would kill the FED. Anyone who so easily criticizes Ron Paul is making it very clear their lack of knowledge of the absolute power of central banking and how unconstutional it is. That and the importance of liberty.. Pretty sure there is even a statue somewhere as some monument to liberty...

Thomas Jefferson said in 1816: “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”

How many Americans have lost and continue to lose their homes since 2008 ?

that was what i was Hoping! that this was a proposal that was kicking around and got canned due to public pressure! I think to often that things like this are parsed off as a hoax and are slipped through when no one is looking!

However once the rulling is in, its only a short step to include children on their parents farms!

We see that here in australia, speed limit for example, it was never illegal to speed however it is now! and the speed is being reduced all the time! but we still have car accidents, this is just a way your freedoms get whittled away!

Yep it is quite common for legislation to get passed that seems all OK.
However it is very easy for legislation to get modified, so seemingly benign legislation end up evolving into something much different from the original.
Sneaky fu%*ers...

Is Ron Paul from that drag race tv show?

sure

Even if I felt Ron Paul is right about currency reform or rolling back the nation's financial system to the 1800s was right, there are problems with almost every other opinion he has. Climate change is a hoax? Civil Rights legislation was a bad idea and shouldn't have been attempted? Doesn't represent my ideas, won't vote for him. But I'm not a Republican by nature so I wouldn't be in that camp anyway. Tea Party and Libertarian are just factions of the Republican party from what I can tell, you have to be toward the right naturally for those platforms to make any sense.

Q: If Ron Paul were president in 1940 would Hitler have won? If you truly believe we shouldn't be involved in any entanglements in the world then which other power would be allowed to dominate it?