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PostPosted: Feb 8th, '12, 23:43 
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Do you think this can save energy in AP?
http://www.muddyriv.com/mass.html
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Micro Air Separation System (MASS)


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Overview

Advances in providing high aeration levels and intimate contact between bubbles and the dispersed phase have led to a unique separation system, the Micro Air Separation System (MASS). The MASS significantly reduces costs, provides unrivalled separation efficiencies, uses considerably less chemicals, less space and can perform separation operations previously impossible to achieve using traditional Dissolved Air Flotation (DAF) systems.

There are a number of key principles DAF systems must adhere to:

High surface area micro bubbles must be formed to maximize effluent separation. The MASS bubble size and surface area can be controlled by varying the back-pressure and airflow rate. Bubble size, generation rate and stability are of key importance to efficient separation

Increasing the concentration of bubbles maximizes the lift performance. The MASS utilizes a portion of the clarified wastewater with air introduced at atmospheric pressure pumped through a pressurized Micro-Bubble Generator (MBG). The air dissolves and contacts the feed creating highly aerated water.

The smaller micro bubbles better adhere to fragile flocculated particles and typically create a dryer sludge.

The method of pressure control throughout the circuit is paramount for quality bubble production. The MASS is novel in that the dispersion of micro bubbles in the flotation tank is greatly improved due to the method of dissolution in the MBG chamber.
Features and Benefits

Superior separation of contaminants. Up to 95% reduction in Biological Oxygen Demand (BOD), Chemical Oxygen Demand (COD) and Total Suspended Solids (TSS).
Air aspiration direct from the atmosphere. No air blower or compressor required.
Small footprint reduces capital costs.
Minimal maintenance.
Greater process efficiency. In many cases allows for the reuse of processed water.
Modular design and ease of scale-up.
Reduced chemical consumption.
More compact sludge.
How does the MASS work?

The MASS system exploits the density difference between two phases primarily by attaching air bubbles to one phase and floating it away for collection. This idea is not new, but the method by which it is achieved using the MASS changes how we think about DAF systems.

The MASS works by dissolving free air from the atmosphere in a micro bubble generator within the unit, which allows increased air to be dissolved compared to that of a traditional DAF system. The pressures and forces created ensure intimate mixing of the air and the fluids to be separated, which causes the air to be fully dissolved rather than entrained. The pressures generated within the MASS are up to two times that created in traditional DAF systems thereby, further increasing the amount of air available to strip out suspended solids.

The MASS unit was designed with no moving parts. The air blends with the water through a specially designed channel, and because this is achieved without moving parts, maintenance costs are reduced significantly.

To realize effective effluent separation, it is often necessary to adjust the electro-potential (pH) of the wastewater, in addition to utilizing an air flotation system. It is also possible to use chemicals such as coagulants and flocculants to help create surfaces or structures that can easily attach to the micro bubbles. Coagulants are used to bind the particulate matter together and flocculants are used to change the surface tension on the liquid/solid and or liquid/gas interfaces. The combination of all three regimes will almost always bring about separation. However, using the MASS technology, it is usually sufficient to utilize one or two of these regimes and still accomplish a satisfactory result.





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http://staff.aist.go.jp/m.taka/nano-bubble.pdf


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Sounds good I want one! Where do I buy? :dontknow:

The Japanese paper is _very interesting_, thanks for posting the links!


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PostPosted: Feb 9th, '12, 08:04 
Seriously, this cant be healthy.
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http://staff.aist.go.jp/m.taka/nano-bubble.pdf


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PostPosted: Feb 9th, '12, 08:12 
Seriously, this cant be healthy.
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There are these things you can buy to create a fog on your pond for visual effect.

I presume they work by having a plate vibrate or something, perhaps ultra sound, but I wonder what would happen if you fed one with air while it was submerged.

It might smash the bubbles to fog size at least.

I also wonder if thats what the one moving part is in that muddy river system.

I think they are only $20 or so to buy the fog device


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be careful with bubble size as you can do damage to the fish if the bubbles are too small.Many marine systems with a sump under neath had problems where the return pump sucked in bubbles from the protein skimmer . this resulted in micro bubbles in the tank which damaged both corals and fish.
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Very interesting :)


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ultrasonic tranducer isnt it ?


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Steve had one to try out aeroponics, should still be on here somewhere


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Is it just the same principle as a protein skimmer?


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I think conventional means will produce micro bubbles, but the nano bubbles are much more high tech than that.

Guy at work has a beautiful 8 gallon reef aquarium on his desk with a skimmer on the side and that's what I though of first, but then remembered that salt water bubbles much more easily than fresh water.


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 Post subject: Re: Micro bubble.
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fishman wrote:
be careful with bubble size as you can do damage to the fish if the bubbles are too small.Many marine systems with a sump under neath had problems where the return pump sucked in bubbles from the protein skimmer . this resulted in micro bubbles in the tank which damaged both corals and fish.
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I think Fishman comment is interesting.
In AP, fresh water, may not have nano bubble stay long enough to create problem.
In salt water micro bubble will be nano bubble and air bubble may create problem to fish.
Sast water RAS may need O2 bubble.
I guess all of these.


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PostPosted: Feb 9th, '12, 15:13 
Seriously, this cant be healthy.
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Couldn't get the links to work.


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how cool is that :think:


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