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PostPosted: Jan 18th, '12, 17:17 
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Hiya..

Not sure if you know of this.. But.. in the USA they are protesting this..

http://americancensorship.org

Is the Link to sign off on anything..

Basicly the US wants to censor the internet...

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PostPosted: Jan 18th, '12, 18:13 
Nah.. they already do that, or can if they wish... and governments the world over... including here... have long wished to control the web... and/or shut it down... as the free dissemination of information... threatens their control over citizens....

Anyway... the IP provisions are more about Rupert Murdoch... wanting to own & control the internet... and make everyone pay for it...

Ad because he believes in controlling the flow of information... the same as the neo-cons and enslavers of politics and finance do...


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There was a quote from back in the 90's that I think applies: "The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it."

It's like trying to regulate the building methods used by ants.


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RupertofOZ wrote:
Nah.. they already do that, or can if they wish...

How so?

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Anyway... the IP provisions are more about Rupert Murdoch... wanting to own & control the internet... and make everyone pay for it...


Again, can you explain this? and how does it allow control ?


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Ellendra wrote:
There was a quote from back in the 90's that I think applies: "The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it."

It's like trying to regulate the building methods used by ants.

I agree about that, but what I don't want is my tax dollars spent on trying! I am tired of laws that make something already illegal, illegal. There are already existing IP laws, adding more is silly. What is sad, is small sites that dont make a lot of money, could get crushed by for profit sites, under the banner of IP infringement. And the US government would then block said site. I like participating on one Australian forum, that makes no money off of the forum. There seem to be some malicious competing AQ sites out there that are for profit. Like Wikipedia, this site distributes information without asking for much. Information that others think should be paid for. Those that turn a profit from it will have the resources to invoke the SOPA arm of the law. Yes, the internet will compensate, but I dont want to see all of the hard work that the BYAP community has done go to waste! Wikipedia is blacked out today, but they do have a tool to give you the phone numbers to your congressional reps. I know I will be on the phone today!


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I just made some calls, an actual person answered Bob Filner's Phone, and took the message. Barbara Boxer had an answering machine, so I left a message. Diane Feinstein's number was busy, hopefully from people calling in about SOPA and PIPA!


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Ronmaggi wrote:
Ellendra wrote:
There was a quote from back in the 90's that I think applies: "The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it."

It's like trying to regulate the building methods used by ants.

I agree about that, but what I don't want is my tax dollars spent on trying! I am tired of laws that make something already illegal, illegal. There are already existing IP laws, adding more is silly. What is sad, is small sites that dont make a lot of money, could get crushed by for profit sites, under the banner of IP infringement. And the US government would then block said site. I like participating on one Australian forum, that makes no money off of the forum. There seem to be some malicious competing AQ sites out there that are for profit. Like Wikipedia, this site distributes information without asking for much. Information that others think should be paid for. Those that turn a profit from it will have the resources to invoke the SOPA arm of the law. Yes, the internet will compensate, but I dont want to see all of the hard work that the BYAP community has done go to waste! Wikipedia is blacked out today, but they do have a tool to give you the phone numbers to your congressional reps. I know I will be on the phone today!


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I just made some calls, an actual person answered Bob Filner's Phone, and took the message. Barbara Boxer had an answering machine, so I left a message. Diane Feinstein's number was busy, hopefully from people calling in about SOPA and PIPA!


Cool, keep us posted :)


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Ronmaggi wrote:
Ellendra wrote:
There was a quote from back in the 90's that I think applies: "The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it."

It's like trying to regulate the building methods used by ants.

I agree about that, but what I don't want is my tax dollars spent on trying! I am tired of laws that make something already illegal, illegal. There are already existing IP laws, adding more is silly. What is sad, is small sites that dont make a lot of money, could get crushed by for profit sites, under the banner of IP infringement. And the US government would then block said site. I like participating on one Australian forum, that makes no money off of the forum. There seem to be some malicious competing AQ sites out there that are for profit. Like Wikipedia, this site distributes information without asking for much. Information that others think should be paid for. Those that turn a profit from it will have the resources to invoke the SOPA arm of the law. Yes, the internet will compensate, but I dont want to see all of the hard work that the BYAP community has done go to waste! Wikipedia is blacked out today, but they do have a tool to give you the phone numbers to your congressional reps. I know I will be on the phone today!


+1 man

I believe 4chan was down also.

The internet may compensate, but not for the majority. Take China for example. An extreme example maybe, but an example.


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Hmmm seems blank... Dunno if they have disabled embedding, or perhaps the censorship has already started.


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