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PostPosted: Nov 17th, '11, 21:33 
Seriously, this cant be healthy.
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PostPosted: Nov 17th, '11, 21:42 
Seriously, this cant be healthy.
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With that amount of battery I can run for (I think) days.....

Id need some more details to work it out but I doubt that, remember you can only run the 12v battery down to 50% max.
Add an inverter to the mix with significant inefficiency and youll get closer to the real answer.
I might be missing something and you are correct but often people overestimate this back up capacity

Id reckon with 45W AC pump you might get ~24hrs

I just found these too way oversized but they dont do smaller ones.
http://www.invertershop.com.au/600-watt ... 2v-dc.html
Brains out af a UPS and does the recharging too - not too bad value if you consider it replaces battery charger too.


Yeah could be. I'm known for pulling numbers from thin air :)

My little pump ran at 16 watts and my power head runs at 12 watts, my system now has a 3000lph pump that I think is 60 watts or so. I run that 24/7 because I'm too slack to flip out the switches on the timer to set the thing to run 15 minutes per hour. But either way, my backup lasts forever as far as suburban "developed nation" power supplies are concerned.

I doubt this area has seen a blackout longer than an hour for the last few decades.

When I had outages and tested it, the voltage actually increased as the outage progressed :)

I suspect it was because the battery was warming up during the morning. But the result was that the last time I tested my backup I had an infinite backup duration :)


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PostPosted: Nov 17th, '11, 21:48 
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For anyone looking at Backup systems

If you do not have some type of power stabilising device in you backup system, you backup system may actual damage any device’s that are hooked to it, for example here in port Pirie we have the largest lead smelter in the southern hemisphere, with the type of power they use down there we get large fluctuations in power here eg power can drop below 200v eg brown out! Also power flicking on and off, these are killers of electrical devices! ( aswell as run very high 250v or more! most things are rated to 220 to 240 the insulation will break down at higher values)

A system that uses power that flicks on and off at a fast rate is called a tesla coil :notworthy: (look it up if you haven’t seen one run!) now imagine this happening in the windings of your Pump or any other device that is hooked to it, normally this will not happen and when it does it shouldn’t kill you pump but it will reduce the life of the electrical device!

Now A UPS has battery’s and Capacitors that smooth out the voltage much like the Sump tank in a AO System stops the water fluctuating, and it stops the surge of electricity that would normal cause you a problem, however sometimes the UPS fails instead hahaha. :twisted:

Make sure a system will not flick backwards and forwards as Mains power comes and goes without some safety measure in place to stop surge voltage causing a problem, battery, Capacitor, Timer that kicks you back to mains after a certain time or something! :thumbright:

The reason I’m point this out is amph is a Pirie lad and will I’m sure knows what I’m talking about!



Will my battery smooth out the voltage? ie does the inverter reflect the charger voltage and any fluctuations in it, or will the battery act like a sump as well?


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I got mine from the camping section of K-mart <hang head in shame>


The local one here must be too small, they don't have inverters..

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That's where i'd go if cheap as chips, go-lo, or reject shop don't have what i'm looking for.. :)


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Altronics have a 150w pure sine wave inverter on special going for $129 at the moment if anyone is interested.
http://www.altronics.com.au/index.asp?area=item&id=M8010

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Hey guys i just spent $52 U.S. for back up system. that included two small 12volt batteries, inverter, and two relay contacts one always open one always closed. I have it hooked up just to my air pumps. It runs on main power system until their is a power cut. Then because the two relay contacts are in place it automatically goes on until all the battery is drained. Works great. I estimate that it will last for about 8 hrs on the two small batteries since the two air pumps only put out 4.5 watts each. I figure that the growbeds/plants can survive for a long time without water being pumped into them but the fish won't survive for a long power outage without O2. You obviously have to keep the batteries charged with however you want to do that. These things were easy to find here in Botswana so I assume you should be able to find them in Austrailia.


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Hey guys i just spent $52 U.S. for back up system. that included two small 12volt batteries, inverter, and two relay contacts one always open one always closed. I have it hooked up just to my air pumps. It runs on main power system until their is a power cut. Then because the two relay contacts are in place it automatically goes on until all the battery is drained. Works great. I estimate that it will last for about 8 hrs on the two small batteries since the two air pumps only put out 4.5 watts each. I figure that the growbeds/plants can survive for a long time without water being pumped into them but the fish won't survive for a long power outage without O2. You obviously have to keep the batteries charged with however you want to do that. These things were easy to find here in Botswana so I assume you should be able to find them in Austrailia.


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Cool,

And nice work using a fish for scale for your baby, or your baby for scale for your fish! :)

Most people just use toes.


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PostPosted: Jan 11th, '12, 16:49 
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Hey @BW had a bit of a drama today no Power and lucky me cold temps and enough time for me to get my stubborn generator running.. GMC tool way cheap and still running after 4yrs..

With our current ongoing discussion on Airlift's would you say that it is more important to run air into all ponds to keep the fish happy.. I know I can get an airlift to turn over the pond if I need to..

Now all I need is to be pointed in the right direction..

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PostPosted: Jan 11th, '12, 17:02 
An airlift isn't going to work...if the power goes out... you'll still need to get the geni running....

And if you're not home???


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Rupert I was think'n of having the Air-pump hooked up to a UPS. as someone advised me..

I have a 3000va UPS that needs a battery set.. I need to find out what I need to get it running..

that is going to be the core of my backup..


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PostPosted: Jan 11th, '12, 20:22 
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SnowT what do you mean what you need to get it working?
Like what sort of batteries etc ?


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When I was working in the maintenance Department of the Rialto I scored an old 3000va UP that was just missing Batteries..

Nothing wrong electrical it just needs batteries to operate..

I need to check their site to see what the cost are if Not What Can I use as a substitute..

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PostPosted: Jan 12th, '12, 06:22 
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whack some car batteries on it :)
does it take 1 or 2 batteries, could be in serial or parallel, if its series for 48v you will need 2 batteries otherwise it wont work.


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Don't you mean 24v.. 2 in series = 24v

Sorry I have done electronics' Plus I'm an electrician..

I'll have to see is I can grab it from the other house and check it out..

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PostPosted: Jan 12th, '12, 10:15 
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haha, yeah just a mistype (or a mis-think) by me.
I'm an electronics engineer AND now recently electrical.
So I guess its a BIG mistype :laughing3:


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