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Hello everyone,

I had wanted to run this past earthbound first, but I see the PM is disabled for new members.
So I will get stuck into my post and hope earthbound sees the benefit of this thread

Let me start by telling you of my dream;
Project: Kindria
My dream is of a small community of friends and family that hold themselves 100% self sufficient. A community that collects all of its own pure rain water, produces 100% of their own fruit, vegetables, herbs and grains. This community will do everything in its power to be carbon neutral and completely off the grid.
In this ideal community, certain responsibilities will be shared with those who have the skills. If something needs to be done, then everyone pitches in and gets it done quickly and efficiently.
This community also shares a set of beliefs and ideals that will ensure its cohesion and integrity.

The goal of this community is more of a testament to that we can survive on our own in small scale without a national production chain.

Without getting stuck too far into the operation of the community and bogging this thread down with information that isn't required at the moment... I wish to stick on topic.
That is to find out from the members here what the interest would be in such a community.
There is a cost associated with this of course, but a cost that some would consider too good to pass up.

From all the properties I have run down to find suitable areas, here is an average break down of what we are looking at.
Average Land Size: 550 acres
Average Land Cost: $140,000AUD

What I have done is made a figure of what I would say the 'Buy-In' would be for a person of interest that would then receive an equal share (by contract).
That Buy-In price is $10,000AUD and will be based on a selection criteria. That would be like restriction the buy ins to a 2 -4 limit. Meaning that a couple or a small family of 4 will be limited initially as to reduce building costs and food production.
This will be anywhere from 28 - 56 people based on a land purchase of $140,000AUD.
Of course this will vary depending on the interest received in this project.
So you can see why I am placing a limit on the amount of initial people that can come in on this venture.
The parcels of land that I have catalogued ranges from a mere 156 acres, up to several thousand acres.
In addition to the Buy-In of $10,000AUD, the only other additional cost will be a shared split of the yearly rates for the decided piece of land.
As well as whatever costs are incurred on the building method of your choice and what you need for that.
Ideally, the construction of each house will be a community event.
What I would like to see are all natural methods of construction and will limit the application criteria to this.
These kinds of buildings can be EarthBag Houses, CEB Houses, Rammed Earth Houses et cetera.
For those that express interest and pass the first phase of selection (after initial interest), will then have a deciding vote in which piece of land is chosen, and will also have the choice of inspecting the property as well.
Limitations on this offer will be based on some key deciding factors;
• Limit to a couple or small family of 4.
• Pets - No cats, Dogs permitted, others permitted based on state law.
• Age - Under 65 Only - Needs to be able to help within the community when needed.
• Health - Healthy with no serious medical conditions.
• Love for rural/country living.
• Passion to help and learn.
These limitations are there to give the community the best chance of success.
There will be some limitations placed on those that are chosen to be a part of this community.
For example, the $10,000AUD Buy-In is non refundable, however you can pass it on to members of your own family that fall into the selection criteria. If you choose not pass this onto your family, then your portion is given to the remaining families. The community as a whole may also choose at their discretion, choose to purchase your portion for the community.
The acceptance criteria will be in phase one by questionnaire. Final decision lies with me and if the end member goal falls short, then by majority choice of those selected, will have a choice of increasing their Buy-In or finding other families.

There is a lot more information that I have pulled together but I will leave that for the next phase.
For those interested in this project and would like to have their name down to be contacted for the next phase, please send me an email at;
[email]sovaka@kindrednet.com?subject=Project Kindria Interest[/email]
Please include all your contact details and any other information you believe is relevant to your interest.

Thank you for your time!

Does inclusion require virgin sacrifice and submittingthe firstborn as a sex slaw ofthe cult leader?

Err... Perhaps you have the wrong idea about the purpose of this thread?
Or perhaps the idea of such a community makes you very uncomfortable and all you can do is jest?

Yup. Making fun of this thread is about all I can do.

10k to buy in to a community of 14 families. Non transferrable.

Wow. Wish I thought of that.

Or have you broken away from a hamish community?

Edit: or was that armish

I have seen a number of communities that work, so it's not that weird.. Down at Denmark in the south west there are a fair few and some of them are very successful and have been running for decades.

Since you don't wish to add anything constructive to this thread vlt, then I will ask you to kindly not post in it.

Thanks.

@earthbound: Indeed, I too have seen several communities of this type work very well. It's just a different lifestyle.

Ok. How many acres of grain would be needed for a community of 14 families to be 100% self sufficient?

Or is it a case of only those wishing to give you $$$ that should reply here?

Btw. I have a sensitive bs meter. It whacked me in the forehead reading this post.

Request For Urgent Business Relationship

We have the pleasure to make this surprising but mutually benefiting business proposal. I am a member of the newly inaugurated committee for the privatization of the refineries of the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation, in Nigeria. The members of the committee are interested in the importation of goods into the country with funds presently floating in the Central Bank of Nigeria / Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC) foreign payments account. I got your address through the office of the Nigerian Chamber of Commerce and Industry.

The federal military government of Nigeria, intends to lease the three existing petroleum refineries to private individuals and companies. This is to make the refineries more viable, resourceful and to eliminate undue wastage and fraud. This privatization is in-line with the recommendations of the World Bank and International Monetary Fund (IMF) as a prerequisite for future financial assistance.

The refineries are heavily indebted to many companies and my committee has the mandate (task) of compiling the names of these companies and debt owed them and also recommend for payment, all contracts that have been fully executed. With our position in the committee, which comprises of my ministry, federal ministry of petroleum resources, Nigerian National Petroleum corporation (NNPC), the federal Ministry of Finance (FMF) and the Central Bank of Nigeria (CBN), we have successfully secured for ourselves, the sum of US $73,000,000 (seventy-three million United States Dollars). This sum was acquired by carefully inflating the amount of indebtedness by this amount (US $73,000,000). We need a reliable company to be included in the list of companies to be paid. This company will be paid for a contract executed in Kaduna Refinery in 1993.

I was therefore mandated in trust by members of the committee, to seek a foreign partner into whose account we could transfer the sum of US $73,000,000, hence I am writing you this letter. We have agreed to share the funds thus:

1) 70% for us (the committee members)

2) 20% for you (the account owner)

3) 10% will be used in settling taxation and all local and foreign expenses that will be incurred in the course of this transaction

It is from our 70% that we wish to commence the importation business. We also need assurance from you that you will let us have our share once the inflated amount (US $73,000,000.00) is transferred into your account.

The payment will be done by the Central Bank of Nigeria (CBN) through its correspondent bank. What we need from you, is that you provide a vital account into which the funds will be transferred/lodged.

Note that this transaction is 100% safe and guaranteed since the law under which our committee was set up, has empowered us to disburse all the funds.

We shall commence the transfer of the funds immediately we receive the following information by Tel/Fax::

1) Your company name and full address

2) Your bank's name, telephone and fax number

3) Your account number and name of would be beneficiary

The above information will enable us put up letters of claim and job description to the respective ministries for the issuance of the mandatory fund release approval/recommendations. This way, your company will be recognized and accepted as the beneficiary of the contract entitlements before the final remittance to your nominated account, by the Central Bank of Nigeria, being paying bank.

Note that we will be responsible for the payment of the federal inland revenue tax on behalf of your company and a contract agreement between your company and the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation shall be drawn up and antedated showing that your company has a legitimate contract with the NNPC and must be paid.

We are looking forward to doing this business with you and solicit absolute confidentiality from you in this transaction. Please acknowledge receipt of this letter, using the above Telefax number for more details regarding this transaction. Also endeavor to send the requested information.

I think you guys are being a little harsh......

1 acre of wheat yields are dependent on a lot of factors like soil quality, amount of watering et cetera.

Roughly 1 acre of wheat can produce around 50 bushels... 1 bushel is 60lb so that is around 3,000lbs of Wheat. Which is 1,360kg of wheat.
More than enough for 14 families.

But considering you aren't just feeding the families wheat, you need to calculate a lot of other factors.

@earthbound... May I request the posts that aren't on topic be deleted?

You are probaby right.

But I think you are too nice...some would call that naive

What's the bet he wont bother to contribute to what this forum is about after the huffing has finished in this thread?

I'm not sure how but I believe a few of these posters are under the impression that land is free?
And setting up dwellings and food production must also be free?

Have you checked prices of land recently? No? I have... Months of research on cost ratios.

$10,000AUD for an equal share in property in excess of 500 acres is cheaper than anything you will ever be able to buy by yourself.

The cheapest land I found for the most acreage, is $29,000 for 30 acres.

Yes you can buy land lots in some areas of Australia for $10,000... But all you will get is roughly 500m2 AT MOST.

How is this concept so foreign for people?

@vlt - My main site Kindrednet.com is mostly about AP. I haven't participated on site before today because I had nothing to contribute. I have quite a few design ideas on harvesting electricity from AP systems that I will end up putting on several AP sites.
Even PracticalAquaponics... Yet I don't have an account there because I have nothing to directly contribute.

sorry joel its a great idea and all, but someone coming out of the blue and asking for $$ to set up a wonder-community is a little strange. IMO a bit like the nigerian prince scam. delete my comments in you wish

Call it what you like, but I believe in giving everyone a fair go.

I've been bought up on a diet of Grass roots and Earth garden and such ideas as this are common. They may not all get off the ground, but there's plenty of people dreaming of such things.