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Seriously, this cant be healthy.
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Hahahaha, sad I missed the blooper.

This is a very exciting idea, sort of industrial ecology where the waste stream is converted to resources at every step. Brilliant.

A while back, at the PRI site, we came up with a similar theoretical system, built around an aquaponics system:

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1 Goat for meat dairy and manure (excess milk or spoiled milk to chooks)
2 Rabbits for meat or pets and manure(manure to worm bin, biogas plant aquaculure system, spirulina taks)
3 Worms for composting and chook, duck and fish feed
4 Biogas for methane production and anaerobic decomposition of goat/rabbit/chook/duck manure (slurry for frtilizer)
5 Aquaculture for fish production fish fish fish fish fish for food
6 Hydronics ala Joels WONDERFUL, GROOVY EXCELLENT AND EXCITING AQUAPONICS SYSTEM wav wav wav
7 Spirulina production for high protein feed (humans and animals)
8 Chooks and ducks for manure, to eat excess or damaged veggies and to produce protein in eggs and meat
9 Water hyacinth for fish and animal feed


This led to a verbal schematic, similar to the design earlier:

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Follow the numbers. I hope this makes sense: Confused

1 Fish/ nutrient rich water to 6, protein to 8, protein out of system

2 Goats/ manure to 1, 4 and/or 5. Excess milk to 8. Protein meat/milk, out of system

3 Rabbits/ manure to 1, 4 and/or 5. Protein out of system

4 Worms/ worms to 1 and 8, worm castings out of system

5 Biogas/ slurry to 9, methane out of system

6 Hydroponic veggies/ Spoiled and excess veggies to 2, 3, 4 and 8, veggies out of system

7 spirulina/ production to 1, 2, 3 and 8, also out of system. Excess water to 10

8 Chooks, ducks/ external to system, tied in by nutrients. Manure to 5, Protein in form of eggs and meat out of system.

9 water hyacinth/ Prefilter, plant matter to 1, 2, 3, 5 and 8, water to 7 and/or 10. Some matter out of system.

10 Yabbies/ Settling pond, water flow through to 1, protein to 8 and/or out of system.


all of which was sleep depriving. I stayed up late several days in a row thinking about energy and nutrient flows.

Its a bit more intensive than what I am likely to ever build, but it looks really exciting.

Has anyone heard of any updates to this proposed system? I would love to see how far along it gets.
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Hahahaha, sad I missed the blooper.

This is a very exciting idea, sort of industrial ecology where the waste stream is converted to resources at every step. Brilliant.

A while back, at the PRI site, we came up with a similar theoretical system, built around an aquaponics system:

Quote:
1 Goat for meat dairy and manure (excess milk or spoiled milk to chooks)
2 Rabbits for meat or pets and manure(manure to worm bin, biogas plant aquaculure system, spirulina taks)
3 Worms for composting and chook, duck and fish feed
4 Biogas for methane production and anaerobic decomposition of goat/rabbit/chook/duck manure (slurry for frtilizer)
5 Aquaculture for fish production fish fish fish fish fish for food
6 Hydronics ala Joels WONDERFUL, GROOVY EXCELLENT AND EXCITING AQUAPONICS SYSTEM wav wav wav
7 Spirulina production for high protein feed (humans and animals)
8 Chooks and ducks for manure, to eat excess or damaged veggies and to produce protein in eggs and meat
9 Water hyacinth for fish and animal feed


This led to a verbal schematic, similar to the design earlier:

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Follow the numbers. I hope this makes sense: Confused

1 Fish/ nutrient rich water to 6, protein to 8, protein out of system

2 Goats/ manure to 1, 4 and/or 5. Excess milk to 8. Protein meat/milk, out of system

3 Rabbits/ manure to 1, 4 and/or 5. Protein out of system

4 Worms/ worms to 1 and 8, worm castings out of system

5 Biogas/ slurry to 9, methane out of system

6 Hydroponic veggies/ Spoiled and excess veggies to 2, 3, 4 and 8, veggies out of system

7 spirulina/ production to 1, 2, 3 and 8, also out of system. Excess water to 10

8 Chooks, ducks/ external to system, tied in by nutrients. Manure to 5, Protein in form of eggs and meat out of system.

9 water hyacinth/ Prefilter, plant matter to 1, 2, 3, 5 and 8, water to 7 and/or 10. Some matter out of system.

10 Yabbies/ Settling pond, water flow through to 1, protein to 8 and/or out of system.


all of which was sleep depriving. I stayed up late several days in a row thinking about energy and nutrient flows.

Its a bit more intensive than what I am likely to ever build, but it looks really exciting.

Has anyone heard of any updates to this proposed system? I would love to see how far along it gets.
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christopher,

i like the sound of the spirulina.

have you had a chance to experiment with it at all christopher?

also personally i would add daphnia to the loop. fish fry love them plus they clean up algae.
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Christopher, that's so cool. Makes me want to draw a Flow Diagram. (Work is slow, again.)

There's a place in Colorado that produces tilapia in geothermal spring water. The tilapia are filleted and sold to markets. Waste from cleaning the fish plus any dead/discard/excess fish are fed to the captive alligators. It's turned into a local attraction with animal rescue, events and everything. Rather cool.
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Sorry, all, for the double post. I am trying desperately to cheat my way up to a higher post count so I am no longer a "newbie" (hee, hee, hee).

Thank you janet! I like the whole flow of tilapia, alligators, tourist income, too... I did draw a flow diagram, which was so much fun! I tried to load it at PRI, but am only an aspiring techo geek, and never got around to figuring out how to do it....

Bio, never had the chance to make spirulina, but am extremely interested. I missed an opportunity to visit a farm in southern France that makes spirulina, but the next time I go... hahaha.. (that won't happen for a very long time). Sprirulina would have huge value here as animal feed, especially for chooks and ducks. I doubt anyone would eat it willingly, except maybe in cookies: "What?! Pond scum?! Eat it? Are you kidding me!?"

Excellent on the daphnia. Thats another useful component.
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