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Dont let the facts get in the way of a good story there chappo..

You could get a job on today tonight with skills like that.

Facts that sea shepherd rammed the Jap ship ? Fact that these eco -terrorists through chemicals onto the japanese sailors?
Yep agree that factual reporting needs to be done about what is REALLY happening out there.

OK. So you obviously googled since your last post.

Greenpeace and Sea Shepherd are not one in the same.
Butyric Acid while it is a chemical it is about as harmless as rotten butter.

Do I agree with every Sea Shepherd does? No. Is Paul Watson abit of a nut job cowboy? YES.

But they are out there doing something fighting for a cause and they are getting results. Which is what people have been trying to do by talking for years and its not been working. Im sure you have never ever blurred the lines of right and wrong. I know people that have volunteered on the Sea Shepherd Vessel and they are told from the very start about what they might be confronted with. These people volunteer to do it and it is funded by donations. It is a NOT FOR PROFIT organisation of which all the funds go back into running this and other campaigns.

I think saving the whales is a very important thing (which is not the only thing Sea Shepherd does). I spend alot of time on the water and I still think seeing whales when Im out there is one of the greatest treats and I would hate for that to go away. For that reason alone I will continue to support Sea Shepherd.

You need to open your eyes if you think what the Japs are doing to the whales is not going to see them not be around in years to come. Im no hippy and enjoy fishing and hunting. But we have to take a conservationist approach to alot more things we do these days.

Very well said Scotty. Paul Watson is what this world needs, to pull us out of this political bullpoo our countries get caught up in and actually do something to create change. If the Australian government had been doing their job thoroughly then there would be no need for Watson and his team. But the government let trade relations get in the way.....

Also about chemical warfare. What Scotty says it true. and let's not forget that Watson has been shot, and attacked with flash grenades by the Japanese...

IM not entirely convinced he was shot... Or at least not sure if he was shot by the Japs.. If you get what Im saying hehe.

It's kind of hard to ram the bow of a moving ship... with the side of another stationary boat Chappo...

Now, were they responsible for placing themselves in a dangerous position... yep... but the duty of care belongs just as much to the other skipper to avoid a collision...

And that, at best... is not what they did...

Both ships are required to take action to avoid a collision, something the Japanese ship failed to do. Intact it did quite the opposite....

Ohh dear ,, lies lies and more lies ....., you bunch of fiibbers.
Firstly , take a good look at the international rules on shipping to avoid collisions ,, the onus is on the smaller ship to avoid ..... yes , smaller more manouverable ..... but they simple stopped / parked immediately in from of the whaler.
The whales do NOT belong to us , do NOT belong to green-peace or any other organisation.
Solving problems , or rather attempting to resolve problems by acts of violence can never be condoned. This is how wars get started ..... sorry but FRIG the whales if it means we are going to get people killed.

I fully support the rights of whaling nations to take a RESPONSIBLE amount of this valuable protein product.

Scottiem said
OK. So you obviously googled since your last post. ( NOPE)

You need to open your eyes if you think what the Japs are doing to the whales is not going to see them not be around in years.( FRAID not , take a look at whale numbers over the last few decades , numbers have increased )

ScottieM , Can you please give an honest answer to why you wrote
"OK. So you obviously googled since your last post."

So do I.... I'm quite happy if they wish to whale their traditional whales in their traditional waters...

But they can't... because they slaughtered all of them...


That's not the point Chappo... whale numbers have increased because there has been a worldwide moritorium on whale hunting...

Given the Japanese history regarding whale & dolphin slaughter... and my general objection to foreign boats looting our southern waters.... I'd rather just bomb the bastards...

I kind of take exception to this statement to be honest. The whales dont belong to THEM either!

As much as people would like to say 'they dont BELONG to us - its not our responsibility'... we are their caretakers!... Its like saying - 'the elephants dont belong to us' - and turning a blind eye to the poachers while they annihilate the species to harvest their tusks and turn their feet into umbrella stands! Or the Tigers... or the Orangutangs (however you spell it)... the list goes on. We should hail the people that believe in a cause so much that they are willing to be in the firing line for their beliefs - even if they DO stuff up occasionally at least someone is there doing SOMETHING, because we definitely cant rely on the pollies to protect anything but their own behind-closed-door interests.

When they start poaching on our turf because they have wiped out their own population, its like going next door to steal your neighbours toolkit ...youve wreckedl yours... now you dont have one... theyve got one... you want it... you take it. You kind of hope someone from neighbourhood watch notices and sounds the alarm dont you? Or better yet walk over and confront them..."Now listen here Johnny...you PUT THAT BACK!"

chappo, you really really need to look up the IMO rules of the sea, as you clearly have never read them in your life.

Section II (for vessels in sight of one another)11. Application
The following rules 11-18 applies to vessels in sight of one another. (Section III has specific requirements for restricted visibility)
12. Sailing vessels
Two sailing vessels approaching one another must give-way as follows:
Port gives way to Starboard. When each has the wind on a different side, the vessel which has the wind to port must give way;
Windward gives way to leeward. When both have the wind on the same side, the vessel which is windward must give way to the vessel which is leeward;
Unsure port gives way. If a vessel, with the wind on the port side, sees a vessel to windward and cannot determine whether the other vessel has the wind on the port or the starboard side, they must give way.
13. Overtaking
An overtaking vessel must keep out of the way of the vessel being overtaken. 'Overtaking' means approaching another vessel at more than 22.5 degrees abaft her beam, i.e. so that at night, the overtaking vessel would see only the stern light and neither of the sidelights of the vessel being overtaken.[4]
14. Head-on situations
When two power-driven vessels are meeting head-on both must alter course to starboard so that they pass on the port side of the other. 'Head-on' means seeing the other vessel ahead or nearly ahead so that by night her masthead lights are actually or nearly lined up and/or seeing both her sidelights, or by day seeing a similar aspect of her.[4]
15. Crossing situations
When two power-driven vessels are crossing, the vessel which has the other on the starboard side must give way and avoid crossing ahead of her.[4] The saying is "If to starboard red appear, 'tis your duty to keep clear".[7]
16. The give-way vessel
The give-way vessel must take early and substantial action to keep well clear.[4]
17. The stand-on vessel
The stand-on vessel shall maintain her course and speed, but she may take action to avoid collision if it becomes clear that the give-way vessel is not taking appropriate action, or when so close that collision can no longer be avoided by the actions of the give-way vessel alone. In a crossing situation, the stand-on vessel should avoid turning to port even if the give-way vessel is not taking appropriate action. These options for the stand-on vessel do not relieve the give-way vessel of her obligations under the rules.[4]
18. Responsibilities between vessels
Except in narrow channels, traffic separation schemes, and when overtaking (i.e. rules 9, 10, and 13)
A power-driven vessel must give way to:
a vessel not under command;
a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver (this may include vessels towing one another[8]);
a vessel engaged in fishing;
a sailing vessel.
A sailing vessel must give way to:
a vessel not under command;
a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver;
a vessel engaged in fishing.
A vessel engaged in fishing when underway shall, so far as possible, keep out of the way of:
a vessel not under command;
a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver.
Any vessel other than a vessel not under command or a vessel restricted in her ability to manoeuvre shall, if possible, not impede the safe passage of a vessel constrained by her draft, exhibiting the signals in Rule 28.
A vessel constrained by her draft shall navigate with particular caution having full regard to her special condition.[4]

i used to know then word for word, off by heart, as i went to sea as an officer in the merchant navy. even in the Japanese whaler was considered a fishing vessel she was required to keep clear of the seashepherd vessel, who was low on or out of fuel, and could be considered as restricted in her ability to manouver. further, there is no mentionof size at all in the rules, especially pertaining to the avioding of other vessels.

now the japanese ahip, as the stand on vessel, is also required to maintain her speed and course, something they clearly failed to do

This alone puts the Japanese vessel at fault... add in the question of the "disability" of the Ady Gil... and the Japaneses master had no option than to significantly alter course to port to avoid a collision.... he did not do so... until he made contact with the Ady Gil...

Indeed there's even a "hint" of suggestion that he "might" have in fact altered course "slightly" to starboard before taking any other action...

Regardless, he did not take the action required under law ... in a timely fashion... to avoid the collision...

Come on guys ,, you know the above is absolute CRUD.
Every person that saw the film footage can see the incidents where done on pourpose ( notice purpose not whale) by the terroists ( opps Green Nazists).

Rupe, the whales they took where definately THEIR WHALES , I could see them mouthing words in Japanese. They also had a more yellowish skin than OUR whales ............... seriously how are we to seperate theirs and ours??? Actually ALL the whales belong to ALL the people of the world.

Nice copy and paste freoboy ,, you OBVIOUSLY knew all those rules without google???

nettab32 ,, comapring sea going animals against elecphants is just plain STUPID ..... sea creatures illegally cross borders without Visa permits ,, I don't see many Elewphants arriving here without prior organisiation.

Yes I do know all of these rules without google. The copy and paste was for your benifit.