Hard to know what to call it.

samion

earthbound wrote:

"Come on mate, come over here, I dare ya, you just can't hack it."

You called mate?

earthbound

You have misinterpreted my comment there crusty, I was not referring nor talking to you. This was in reference to Gary's comment and the school yard mentality in his post.

samion

earthbound wrote:

You have misinterpreted my comment there crusty, I was not referring nor talking to you. This was in reference to Gary's comment and the school yard mentality in his post.

Fair enough Joel.

In your experience, do you have any answer to the accumulating deaths in backyard set ups?

earthbound

Yep...

Due to the huge number of backyard systems coming into existence. If there are no systems then there will never be any deaths, it's all about percentages, do you have figures on the percentages? Do you know how many people with systems have deaths?

We sell hundreds of systems a year, and when people follow our instructions very few have any deaths.

bigdaddy123

Hi Rupe,

What fish are you running in the project now?

Cheers.

mantis

Only 3 dead fish here in two backyard systems and one of them was flagged by the hatchery dude as a sick fish which he replaced even before we left.
So many systems and so many fish. Most of the fish deaths I have read about lately have been acts of god, storms and such.
Backyard systems are out in the open mostly, not like RAS systems and so are open to wildly fluctuating weather.

Take care all

samion

Had to break that down to my speed...

earthbound wrote:

Yep...

Is this in response to my question, "In your experience, do you have any answer to the accumulating deaths in backyard set ups?"..?

Had to bread up the following:

earthbound wrote:

Due to the huge number of backyard systems coming into existence.

I am not sure how the number of "systems" is responsible for the number of losses unless they are related to poor design.

earthbound wrote:

If there are no systems then there will never be any deaths,

Still confused mate. So you are saying if there are none of your systems, there will be no deaths?

So in short if people buy your set ups deaths are avoidable. How does that compare to the Holmes A Court set up, or is that void of responsibility?

earthbound wrote:

We sell hundreds of systems a year, and when people follow our instructions very few have any deaths.

Interesting that such small systems have concerns of deaths. Are some gold fish in a pond difficult to keep?

earthbound

If you're not here to discus seriously, but just ridicule, then what is the point?

5-6 years ago there were bugger all AP systems in Australia, so there there were no deaths in any systems, now there are many thousand systems so there are bound to be some deaths.

RupertofOZ

samion wrote:

RupertofOZ wrote:

Unfortunately, while I agree with Crusty’s general sentiments expressed within the post, the attempt to justify his premise by reference to myself and the installation is unfounded and without knowledge of the facts.

Not much truth in that statement and I will suggest plenty of made up "stuff" in the following paragraphs.

Crusty...

Hi Crusty,

What untruths are contined in the statement you quote.... and just what "made up stuff" in the following paragraphs are you referring too?

So that everyone can follow the discussion... perhaps you could actually quote the paragraphs and the "made up stuff" you refer to...

samion

earthbound wrote:

5-6 years ago there were bugger all AP systems in Australia, so there there were no deaths in any systems, now there are many thousand systems so there are bound to be some deaths.

You seem to have taken Johns failure personally.

So you are saying just because there are systems there are bound to be deaths.
So when you you attempt some commercial venture, you can just write off the owners loss as "oh bugger there are so many systems there must be lots of losses." I would expect a commercial venture to involve the payment of money for an installed system, not unlike this one.

samion

RupertofOZ wrote:

samion wrote:

RupertofOZ wrote:

Unfortunately, while I agree with Crusty’s general sentiments expressed within the post, the attempt to justify his premise by reference to myself and the installation is unfounded and without knowledge of the facts.

Not much truth in that statement and I will suggest plenty of made up "stuff" in the following paragraphs.

Crusty...

Hi Crusty,

What untruths are contined in the statement you quote.... and just what "made up stuff" in the following paragraphs are you referring too?

So that everyone can follow the discussion... perhaps you could actually quote the paragraphs and the "made up stuff" you refer to...

Did you miss my last post on APHQ?

earthbound

You seem a little confused Crusty.. I have not taken any particular failure personally.

You are speaking hypotheticals, have I ever tried to sell a commercial system to anyone? No... I have trialed a large system, and people wanted to buy it, I refused to sell it, because we haven't completed trials...

samion

earthbound wrote:

You seem a little confused Crusty.. I have not taken any particular failure personally.

You are speaking hypotheticals, have I ever tried to sell a commercial system to anyone? No... I have trialed a large system, and people wanted to buy it, I refused to sell it, because we haven't completed trials...

Fair enough Joel, though no mention of selling came into the conversation. However you are somehow connected to your distributors and negative exposure will reflect on you and your brand. I recall predicting the failure of your "trialed commercial" set up when it started odd that it is still not going and odd that native trees cause such issues for native fish species... Sounds great to the naive.

SolTun

Takes some time for a newbee(me) to get to the core, to much slandering amongst some off you.

Quote:

Haven't been able to get up to the site for a few weeks... and there's been some hot days... including today...

47 degrees in the greenhouse... 38 degrees in the shed.... 28 degrees in the trout tank... :shock:

Dropped the tank down and refilled with some coller bore water... back to 26... and a couple of cool nights predicted... should be able to pull the tank back to 22...

This is Ruperts report 26. January, it dosen't say for how long the has been above "24 degrees" at this date, but you sure recogniced the need to act, on this date.
Looking in the back mirror(always easier) would you say/think based upon your experience/knoledge in fish culturing, that trying to "save" the stock(fish) under the ruling conditiones was good or poor judgement?
I'm asking the Q in the contecst off Crusty's general Q on APHQ

Quote:

Fish Kills. What is the difference?

Every year I have been reading these aquaponic forums the predicted fish kills happen when summer comes on and winter sets in. I have been wondering why this occurs over and over, every year.

Recently a fish kill by an aquaponic kit installer and the associated "sorry to hear that" and "we feel for you" responses had me thinking about what we think is acceptable care for animals we are responsible for. This large system was built for a customer and stocked with plate size trout and now the heat has set in a few months later, they are dieing a slow and painful death.

Are we not able to find out where certain species will only grow with the assistance of environmental controls such as heaters and chillers?

Is information on fish species temperature tolerances not freely accessible on the internet or a phone call to an aquaculture association?

And in the light off this PDF
http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/frr/frr130/frr130.pdf

Is there a point off no return and a decition point, on Environmental requirements and maximum time to keep trying to rescue fish instead off slaughter?

I think I would have done what you did, but in retrospective(back mirror), is there a lesson learnd?

Where do we put the decition point temp/time line.

earthbound

I'm sure you probably predicted the failure, you seem to be rather negative, and predicting wide sweeping failures of AP systems.

Not at all odd you don't understand........ You wouldn't understand the situation, how could you, you aren't here... We grew out the fish without a problem, and they weren't natives, once again, numerous incorrect assumptions. It was the plants that had issues, and instead of vegetables in the rafts, we grew "crops" of gum trees. :shifty:

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