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PostPosted: Dec 22nd, '06, 22:33 
apparantly have adapted to drinking "bundy" rum


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Hey Les I think you meant lunar powered not solar!!


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Steve, not widely known but wearing forks in the hair or Vegemite or toothpaste spread behind the ears will deter most drop bears. Same way Magpies can be deterred from attacking by wearing sunglasses on the back of the head.


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Yeah one of them got a friend of mine real good droped out of the tree right on to his head while he was sleeping. He got to go for a helicopter ride to tville after that one.


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I'm busy reading some of the posts.

I have to say those pics look inviting Rupert. How close or far are you from a metropolitan area?

I'll respond in a bit.


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Drop bears only eat children that stray under eucalyptus trees. C'mon, now. :D :D :D

Do you guys have jackalopes, too? Now there's an elusive creature. It takes a mighty skilled hunter to bag a jackalope.


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This may come across as a bit of a rant so please to US folks, don't take offense..... these are only my observations as a California born, ex-military, law enforcement, educated professional, former small business owner, and a father and husband.

Our country/state is going right down the shitter. Many friends of mine have already fled California for Oregon, Washington, Idaho, North and South Carolina, and Alabama to be exact. Our local economy is overidden with Wal Marts Home Depots Borders Lowes and every other imaginable megachain superstore displacing all local labor and small business owners. The only viable industry it seems is construction, and it is overrun with illegal laborers. The housing market is a joke with all these cookie cutter McMansions built with pressboard and cdx lumber. Banks are floating loans on crazy finance plans designed for catastrophic failure. Arnold Schwarzenneger is considering an 11 billion dollar construction bond to build more prisons while the schools are full of illegal non-english speakers who are all on free lunch programs and sucking all the money out of education for the kids who are at the top. The cost of living continues to climb with no end in sight, while the COLAs are coming slower and slower. IF you have health insurance, you are getting plans switched left and right as insurance companies acquire other smaller insurance companies and health plans merge and become more profitable. More Americans are having to pay for thier own health care OR go on state subsidized plans that are crap.

Moving to another state only prolongs the inevitable because what happens to California generally occurs throughout the United States within 5-10 years.

I'm looking across the globe at you Au.......


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I think you have a lot of valid concerns, Mike. You forgot the part where all of our jobs are being sent offshore, and all that matters to corporate america is the bottom line. I'm in the computer industry, and every time I turn around, our company is laying off people in the US, and hiring equivalent skills offshore. My husband was let go because of this. (He was just able to get a new job for 20% less, and a 1.25 hour commute each way.) The projects I've worked on with offshore resources haven't gone well. Not because the offshore folks aren't smart; they are. It's just that there is a basic problem when half your team is on a different time zone, and can't sit down in a room together with you to make sure they understand specifications and responsibilities. Phone conferences and 'Net meetings only go so far. It all looks good on paper because the offshore resources will work for 30% of the hourly pay that resources in the US will. Regrettably, the projects take 3 times as long, and come out with lower quality.

OK, that's my rant.


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It can be a little frustrating when there are big issues (like political or social ones) & no one really seems to give 2 hoots


Australians generally have a laid back attitude which is often criticised as apathy......they often appear not to give a damn.

In my view, this is a strength as much as a weakness since we don't get so passionate about anything that we'd want to seriously hurt anyone over it.........like latin people and soccer.......or other folks who use religion as a excuse to kill each other.

The flipside is that (like Americans I guess) we elect politicians who lie, cheat and get us involved in wars that have absolutely nothing to do with us.

Australia has a much better safety net for people who are disadvantaged but Americans are often more enterprising. Where Americans are inclined to celebrate success, we have a cultural trait (known as the tall poppy syndrome) where we tend to be critical of people who are too successful.

As a race, we tend toward xenophobia.....probably due to geographical isolation.....which our politicians exploit mercilessly. Once we get used to people, however, they'll usually be fine.

Our sense of humour extends to taking the piss out of people from other places (evidenced by the reference to drop bears and kangaroos in an urban setting). Most Australians live in coastal areas and many of them have never seen kangaroos and emus in their natural environment.

We have a unique slant on the english language which often confuses overseas visitors who think that, because they can speak English, they'll understand most Australians.

We do have some wildlife which can induce anxiety.......like redback spiders and the much more deadly funnelweb.....and snakes like the taipan, death adder and several others which are among the deadliest in the world. Mind you, if you get bitten by a cottonmouth or a black widow you probably won't be much better off.

We have no large dangerous predators (like grizzly bears) but we do have some bad-tempered small ones like Tasmanian Devils......a little carnivore which only stands about 300mm (12") high but which can crush the leg bones of cattle with its powerful jaws.

Our indigenous people have a culture which is said to be 50,000 years old. Their belief system is one of the most complex of all religions and, in their natural setting, they are able to live in some of the harshest environments on earth. Like native Americans (but to a much greater extent), they cop a raw deal at virtually every turn. They have the highest per capita incidence of some diseases in the world. Infant mortality is much higher and their overall life expectancy is lower than the general population.

There have been several references to drought but the reality is that, while Australia is clearly the driest continent, there are parts like (tropical North Queensland) where the exact opposite is the case.

As someone else observed, we'll often adopt the worst aspects of American culture largely because of the pervasive impact of American TV programs.

Australians and Americans first fought alongside of each other about 100 years ago and (not necessarily to our credit) we've been allies in every major theatre of war ever since.

We share other attributes, too. Like Americans, we use far too much energy and water (and everything else) and we are both conspicuous for our refusal to ratify the Kyoto agreement.

Another thing we have in common is that we are less safe and free than we used to be.....not because of terrorists.....but because of our respective governments' use of terrorism as an excuse to enact laws that restrict our rights and freedoms.

I note, with interest, where various US social commentators have spoken about the way that the US government has generated fear as a mechanism to make US citizens more amenable to some of its more extreme actions. Our politicians would like to do the same thing here, but we don't take the bastards seriously enough for it to work.

On a more positive note, my favourite breakfast is to be found at the brunch session in the submarine base in Pearl Harbour......a ham, cheese and mushroom omelette, a couple of hamburger patties and a generous sprinkling of chips (french fries). You can gain weight just looking at it but the memory still remains strong after 33 years.

Culturally, we're most similar to New Zealanders.

Howzat?


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i used to bag dudeds that drank VB, i find that its the more often used stereo type. But for some bloody stange reason i've developed a real taste for it. Considering i'm not a beer drinker :Shock:

Drop bears?




Sorry i mussta misundestood lol....most ppl i talk to OVERSEAS tell us that fosters is our national drink rofl


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The thing is folks its pretty easy for us to spot the big differences but, its probably the accumulation of lots of little attitudes that differentiate us as cultures. If you ever get a chance read Bill Brysons "Downunder" He's American lived a long time in the UK and ill be dammed if he doesnt understand us Aussies a lot better than we do ourselves. I nearly wet myself laughing reading it , alot of the time your going ,Oh we do do that dont we !

But yeah theres lots of physical differences between our countrys but there's just as many physical differences within our own countries. What counts is the people .


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MF wrote : I have to say those pics look inviting Rupert. How close or far are you from a metropolitan area?


About 8km to Kiama (pop : 12,000), 50km to Wollongong (pop 250,000) and about 140km to Sydney (pop : 4 million)


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GD wrote : Culturally, we're most similar to New Zealanders.


Sorry Garry but as an ex kiwi I'll have to disagree... Auusies are much closer culturally to Americans than to Kiwis....

Case in point is that very fact... huge difference in attitude to the US between New Zealanders and Australians.

Kiwis are probably more culturally aligned to the English (although changing) whereas Australians seem to embrace EVERYTHING American...
the good, bad and ugly

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Hey Tim B that "dowunder" book was a real hoot i read it before i came over to OZ had lots of great insite. I would suggest everyone read it.


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Our politicians would like to do the same thing here, but we don't take the bastards seriously enough for it to work.


Yep, thats us ok :)


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