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PostPosted: Mar 15th, '10, 10:25 
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History proves that as poor nations move from third world status to first world status, their rate of procreation drops dramatically...


Herein lies the main problem, there just aren't enough resources for all the third world countries to become first world.

And in reality I don't think that is the answer. The answer is education. There's an area in India where the girls are educated from a young age and they quite simple don't want to have kids early on, and don't want to have lots of kids. They are still fairly poor, but they aren't getting married young and having lots of kids, and as such leading a better lifestyle.


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Agreed, education is the key.


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Europe is now in the 1.5 average with major population growth in the Muslim communities... though that borders on a different discussion...)

Whooa... that comment worries me... with perhaps underlying predjudice.... and probably no real basis in fact...



Surprisingly, no prejudice, though I have spent time in a combat zone as a result of one group's 'religious fervor'... And the numbers are factual. Just do the research. :)

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countryboy wrote:

Surprisingly, no prejudice, though I have spent time in a combat zone as a result of one group's 'religious fervor'... And the numbers are factual. Just do the research. :)

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Would that be because of right wing chritian groups your talking about there..? It takes two to tango.... :lol:


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PostPosted: Mar 15th, '10, 12:04 
I wonder what the comparative birth rates are ... for Muslims vs Catholics... :wink:


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Mind you... if we could euthanase the religious bigots in the world... not only would we have a smaller population... but probably less wars... and better governance....

I might be warming to a partial acceptance of this idea... :lol:


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RupertofOZ wrote:
Mind you... if we could euthanase the religious bigots in the world... not only would we have a smaller population... but probably less wars... and better governance....

I might be warming to a partial acceptance of this idea... :lol:


I hate to repeat myself, but sounding more like we need some swastikas. Killing people is wrong! Rupe - joke or not, bad taste!


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RupertofOZ wrote:
I wonder what the comparative birth rates are ... for Muslims vs Catholics... :wink:


Funny thing about stats, they are just cold impartial numbers and I believe someone's sig here mentions the only proof is in mathmatics!
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion ... aphics.asp
I almost fell for that crap myself a while back. But google is your friend.
And as a catholic and knowing my churches history I've learned not to take offense at being blamed for most of the Worlds Wars. Religion is usually just a tool in justification.


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Wow, that video really is poor.... What some people will believe, well, what some people will actually try and fob off as facts... Pure propaganda...

Even more disturbing are the comments, to that video, I see youtube closed the comments now, but I can't remember ever reading so much hatred coming from all direction... :shock:


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PostPosted: Mar 15th, '10, 14:17 
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Mind you... if we could euthanase the religious bigots in the world... not only would we have a smaller population... but probably less wars... and better governance....

I might be warming to a partial acceptance of this idea... :lol:


I hate to repeat myself, but sounding more like we need some swastikas. Killing people is wrong! Rupe - joke or not, bad taste!

Agreed Dejavoodoo...

But seriously... IMO... throughout history... nearly all wars have been conducted by, for... or in the name of ... ""God" and country".... "praise the "lord", and pass the ammunition".... and patriotism is usually a thinly veiled disguise for religious bigotry....

Of course, in reality... most wars, even those conducted nominally for, or with religious backing... are actually about power, dominance, and primarily greed and economic advantage.... and perpetration of the ruling elite...

Of course... getting rid of the "power elite"... and distributing the wealth amongst the populous... might have appeal to some, and might appear to even, simplistically, solve many of the underlying problems within the world...

But one mans "revolutionary" and freedom fighter... is another mans "communist", "despot" or "terrorist"... ( :roll: )

The thin edge of the wedge... is when governments begin to conduct actions.. using such terms as a "rallying cry" ... usually to some distorted appeal to "patriotism"... an/or "religion"


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I fail to see what the religion of the people who are procreating has to do with anything!

Each person added to Australia's population growth regardsless of religion, ethnicity, race, colour or creed is a drain on resouces and therefore the environment.

A Muslim or Catholic or any other person properly educated will realise the danger of over population and reproduce accordingly. Education is the key, it just happens that the majority of Muslim immigrants are under educated (due to the socio-ecenomic situation in their homelands) and therefore may have larger families them the educated women of the countries they are immigrating to! This is the same as the working class Catholic immigrants that preceeded them who a generation or two on, with the benefits of education and women's liberation, no longer seem to be having the large families associated with the religion.


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Simo i meant just another far right party with far right views


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Conspiracy

I hope I haven't take the fun out of a good conspiracy thread :D
The UN Agenda 21 leaves lots of fodder!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFIlX0Hj ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8Wf9rBU ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrJjpTCb ... PL&index=9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df84sKzJNDg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0gvDkVcFkI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxPbrjvw ... re=related


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PostPosted: Mar 15th, '10, 23:52 
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I fail to see what the religion of the people who are procreating has to do with anything!

You're right.. it has absolutely nothing to do with it... or anything else...

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Education is the key, it just happens that the majority of Muslim immigrants are under educated (due to the socio-ecenomic situation in their homelands) and therefore may have larger families them the educated women of the countries they are immigrating to!

You're wrong... a few facts...

Muslims, or those listing themselves as Muslims... make up 1.1% of Australias population....

Of those... 36%... were born in Australia...

Of those Muslims immigrating to Australia... all of whom are screened... 70% speak English... and generally have an education level of at least completed high school through to degrees...

In a recent study on "physcological stresses of immigration"... it was noted...

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Overall, the scores on the unidimensional HSCL were positively skewed; indicating that a bulk of the participants was reasonably adjusted members of this community.

It was important to note that as indicated by the demographics, they were generally well educated, proficient with English language, employed, and, on average, had lived in Australia for a decade.


And another study...

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Among adults who completed their education 8.8% have higher degrees compared to 4% for the population as a whole. But Muslims have below average representation at all other levels of qualification, which suggests that Muslim aspirations in education have yet to be realised. It was the Muslim belief in the importance of education expressed in the hadith (authenticated saying ) of the Prophet Muhammad-

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The search for knowledge is a sacred duty imposed upon every Muslim.

Go in search of knowledge, even to China. (Translation Sardar & Malik 1994: 35)


that provided a focus for research on the educational needs of Muslims.



Bullocks, bullocks... and more bullocks...

Remember... a large proportion of Muslims immigrating to Australia... do so through screened entry programs... especially those during the last decade of "howardised" immigration... :wink:


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