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Here is another example of why I don't believe you can trust governments to do the right thing.

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http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/lo ... 06255.aspx

I have been thinking about buying a farm but this sort of thing worries me, farmers have enough problems already

All governments, by there very nature, should not be trusted!

Mark

Good to see the bloke taking a stand... but while the refusal of permission to clear the land may have had an associated carbon capture component... I don't believe that was ever the primary or intended purpose... and frankly I don't really think that the Howard government would, or even had the intellectual capacity to tie land management to carbon emmissions...

They are two seperate issues, both with good cause... but I do agree that farmers should be able to access carbon offsets for appropriate land management practices... clearing of land isn't what could be called carbon capture though...

Everyone should vote for only trusted pollies...
Yay no more voting
I'd be happy if the trees on our block could be used as carbon sinks
....but they are already.

But if no pollies can be trusted why are they in power/opposition?

Surely the best way to secure the honest ones would be to vote for them only...
Since there aren't any, the polling booths' count will be quick too...
should save another 40 mill a year.

Seriously does everyone think all the pollies are bad?
So why hasn't anyone put up their hand to sit?

Is it because they will be tarred with the same cynical brush?... and then the feathers can come from the electorate
there are plenty of them. Ostrich feathers & chook feathers.

Who runs the country?
Anyone know?
Business, BIG business not the pollies, can the same said for pollies, be said for business heads,
ie they can't be trusted?

Who are the biggest lobbyists?... the ones with the largest axe to grind.
Anyone grinding any axes?

Well butt out, mumbling in your undies does diddly squat.
Making a stand might be of use, but then there is only one of you...
...and since you are the minority you are obviously dishonest, apparently.

If I made a stand on any policy, how many knockers would I have... oh about 15,000,000 voters.

So how does anyone make a diff?

The only way I can see is to start in my own backyard

Maybe the problem is that often we don't know if they're honest or not.

Is Rudd honest?

His spin machine has many believing he is. Then there is the problem that the ones who might be honest have to deal with party systems and other issues that don't want them elected.

On top of all that, power itself has a tendency to corrupt those that wield it.

The problem C1... is that we don't vote our representatives in... or out... based on their policies and actions...

Instead we vote according to what our fathers voted in the past.... or based (loosely) on old hat out-dated, supposed dogmatic ideologies that have no relevance to the modern world...

Pollies know the two party system allows them two terms of office... and that they only have to capture the hearts and minds of about 10% (max) of the voters to win and maintain office... because the rest are donkey voters, voting along old hat party lines...

So both parties aim to capture the "middle" ground... and do as little as possible... and upset as few as possible... to maintain their positions...

Vote the sitting member out... EACH ELECTION.... unless they have performed.... and vote for independants (preferably)....

I wish we could abolish and outlaw the two party system... it is an impediment to democracy...

Nice!

Nailed it...
Stuck in the past and not prepared to go forwad...
i have always said that if someone ( KIDS OR CO-WORKERS) makes a stand I will support them.
If it turns to crap I won't bag them for it, at least they were prepared to have a go!

You wouldn't want a sissy fighting your battles (not of sexist intention).

I figure the best person would have a very sound knowledge of things.
Then they are called know-it-alls.

How can there be a winner, when so many differing perpectives are out there?

Could many of the people be happy...lots, few or all of the people ever?

I don't think so.

Can't even get consensus in the Liberal Party on who should be the leader...
well they have now... but how long will that last.
Who would the Libs favour, who does Labour favour, who makes up the greatest population?

We could have the cleanest person in parliment, still they will be sullied, & "dishonest" in some peoples eyes.

If we started a thread and asked for ideas we could forward to the leaders of the day, would we get
consensus on what to ask?
We have a lot over cross ethinicity, cultural, nation, country views, on here
...but still are not smart enough to work out the perplexing issue:
Why I dont trust governments

Hope you voted for the hippy down there in the local election Iv...

I'm under no illusions that there are any decent people in politics in Canberra. The final nail in the coffin was Peter Garrets actions one he was in there... I felt for sure that he would stand up for his old beliefs, that he was a man who could make a difference in politics as he had done with his music. But then I'm reminded of watching "Yes minister" and "Yes prime minister", and although it was a fictional comedy, it was so well written that you can imagine those things happening in politics all of the time...

I was actually watching Yes Prime Minister last night. Nearly 30 years on and the things that used to be satire are now real life (life imitates art!)
I thought a great Aussie version recently was "The Hallowmen"
Brings it all into perspective really - not take it too seriously

Governments are funny things. I sometimes think a dictatorship may be better. One rich guy at the top making sure everyone is happy. Instead of a couple of thousand people at the top all trying to make themselves rich and not caring about the people. I know there are bad ones but one bullet and try again.

This from a post in the Natural Sequence Farming website. I felt is was important enough to bring up.

PETER SPENCER IS DYING!
Peter Spencer's four children have flown home to 'Saarahnlee' the families 20,000 acre farm in the Monaro district of New South Wales.

The 2005 UNFCCC report states that Australia needed 88.2 million metric tonnes of carbon to meet its treaty obligations, 87.5 million of this was stolen from Australian farmers. This issue affects 30,000 farmers and 109 million hectares of land. Many farmers would not, of course, cleared all this land, but now they can not touch any of it. In Peter's own case, he was going to use part of his land for Agroforestry. His sheep business suffered because of the plague of wild dogs that descended on his property from the nearby National Park.

Just how much of our great country does our despotic government wish to deny to us? Here in Victoria, 20% of the State is tied up in State and National Parks!

If you are not a professional farmer, just imagine if Kevin and Penny came into your house with their nail gun and nailed shut two rooms of your house, yet you still had to pay the full rates and charges on your property?

If you are a professional farmer-YOU COULD BE NEXT!

We lost 173 of our fellow countrymen last year, here in Victoria alone. What is going to happen this year if we have another bad fire season? The government can't properly look after all the State and National Parks we have now! How will it look after all the land that has been locked up under the various State Native Vegetation Acts? Surely it doesn't expect the landholders, after STEALING their land without just compensation, to risk their lives in a bushfire?
I URGE YOU TO CONTACT ALL YOUR FRIENDS AND GET THEM TO RAISE THIS DISGUSTING TREATMENT OF OUR FELLOW AUSTRALIANS WITH THEIR LOCAL MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT!

I'm gonna admit that I haven't read this thread closely and I don't really know the details. When the government says the farmers are not allowed to clear the land, what exactly does that mean? They are not allowed to clear cut it to put under plow or pasture right? Now this might not be completely applicable on the scale you Ozzies do things but much of permaculture can be done without clearing and can provide food and products while increasing bio-mass and fertility rather than having to clear cut.

I agree it rather sucks that government comes in and tells people they are not allowed to use their land that they were allowed to buy.Something does need to be done large scale to provide food for all the people while also working to save the planet!!!!!!

A major point in this issue. The land does NOT actually 100% belong to you. At any time and for any reason the government through the Queen may aquire said land. Better to realise you actually got a "long term lease"
As for the Government stopping indescriminate "natural habitat destruction" I am in full support.
Please write to your member of Parliment showing full support for the protection of our natural Flora and Fauna.

I have an idea why don't we seize the land from all the new human developments in the cities and let that return to native?
After all we are the biggest pest on the planet.

To me it's the change with out fair compensation that is really at issue, remember one of Australia favourite movies "The Castle"