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steve

Just read a news article that 25 reactors could provide 33% of the Oz demad for electricity.

i can't link to it as its on the optusnet broadband portal

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The report says 25 nuclear power stations could provide a third of the country's power by 2050.

The uranium industry has welcomed the report.

I also agree with EB, it is postphoning the inevitable, we will hold on to the bitter end. I feel bad everytime i walk into my kitchen now 5 downlights, shit all light, and 250W :shock:

Why? Becasue we can.

Tim, you must not have been around when i originally started the F topic. best leave it there. most people i know that have jumped off the band wagon are told "perfect!" "come back in 12 months" by the dentist, after having not been for between 12 and 24 months. But man, do they get cranky when you knock back the "flouride on a swab" treatment :shock:

Was going to start up again, but like i said, its been covered. Let sleeping dogs lie

Jez, GREAT info, thanks!

Jaymie

VB

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Got any fillings Jaymie?

None at all. I have been to a dentist 3 times in my life, 14 years ago, and a few months ago to check the state of my teeth and they are fine. Thanks Dad

b2barker

I always ask supporters of nuke power how close to their house would they be comfortable to have a nuke plant. I live in Perth, but a plant in Cairns seems too close for my liking.

earthbound

Great info Jez.... Still ready though a lot of the links.

That last link didn't work though, any idea? Thats the sort of info I'd really like to see..

TimC

Do people not realise that there is nuclear reactor in the heart of Sydney... I can't get over the scare tactics that surround nuclear energy... The news last night mentioned the Three Mile Nuclear 'Accident'. There was no accident, a valve failed due to wear and tear, the backup releif valve kicked in and the problem was averted. Chernobyl wasn't a catastrophe waiting to happen, it was the people operating it at the time that caused it to meltdown.

Is nuclear power dangerous? Certainly. Is it worthwhile? It is better than coal and gas. The proper solution is to advance the technology: generation IV reactors will not have these kinds of problems. Plus if Australia is to have nuclear power (and face it it will happen) the strictest personnel training should be undertaken.

I am not saying I want Nuclear power, I wish we never have nuclear power but in the governments mind this is the next logical step to take, unless a new alternative energy source is made available and at a cost that will blow away the obvious competition... the media should stop the scare tactics, we need an alternative energy to coal and gas, the fuels are running out and we need to reduce CO2 emissions... people need to undertand, that although nuclear energy does produce terrible biprouducts, it is still as safe as coal, as long as it is correctly mannaged and engineered...

bundaberg kid

...............why not drop the bomb and give it back to the animals .then we can all fly off to F$%K up another planet???????????????????????????????????????????????? seems to be what we as humans strive for and are good at

Bidadisndat

Bumper sticker seen in Newcastle -

BAN MINING........let the bastards freeze in the dark.

For those that support coal mining, the only light is at the end of the tunnel

Hethbo

I was starting to come around to the nuke idea for a while there, but then heard figures (damn my pregnant brain!!!) on how much energy/resources it takes to set up the infrastructure.

Wish I could remember the figures, it was scarey...

steve

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the media should stop the scare tactics,

Yeh, and i wan't world peace. Neither are going to happen

LOL

The media loves this stuff, and deep down so do all the average joes that take the hearald sun and channel 10 as gospel!

This is what we're facing on ALL fronts. If they read it in the paper, its true.

Asitis

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...............why not drop the bomb and give it back to the animals .then we can all fly off to F$%K up another planet???????????????????????????????????????????????? seems to be what we as humans strive for and are good at

bundaberg kid, maybe like this?? (see pic)

Are people missing the obvious, nuclear power is NON-renewable. :shock:

The bi-product of coal production will be balanced by natural processes when we stop using it in the future. The nuclear bi-product will, at this stage, outlast the existence of those silly monkeys that should have known better.

Then again I'm one of those silly monkeys so what would I know.

steve

i'm repeating myself, but it comes down to what we want imo.

If we want to tenaciously hold on to our way of life (as bad for us as it is) then yep, go nuclear. It will give us short term reprieve (not completely).

I welcome the engergy crisis i'm a bit bored, change is good.

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Fissionable materials
In a paper in 1956 [77], after a review of US fissionable reserves, Hubbert notes of nuclear power:

There is promise, however, provided mankind can solve its international problems and not destroy itself with nuclear weapons, and provided world population (which is now expanding at such a rate as to double in less than a century) can somehow be brought under control, that we may at last have found an energy supply adequate for our needs for at least the next few centuries of the "foreseeable future."

Also technologies such as thorium, reprocessing and fast breeders can in theory considerably extend the life of uranium reserves. Roscoe Bartlett claims[78]

Our current throwaway nuclear cycle uses up the world reserve of low-cost uranium in about 20 years.

Caltech physics professor David Goodstein has stated [79] that

...you would have to build 10,000 of the largest power plants that are feasible by engineering standards in order to replace the 10 terrawatts of fossil fuel we're burning today..that's a staggering amount and if you did that, the known reserves of uranium would last for 10 to 20 years at that burn rate. So, it's at best a bridging technology...You can use the rest of the uranium to breed plutonium 239 then we'd have at least 100 times as much fuel to use. But that means you're making plutonium, which is an extremely dangerous thing to do in the dangerous world that we live in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_phase-out

bundaberg kid

Is all very good..................if rumour isnt so rumourish then one site "earmarked" for a vic nuke site is/was canons creek...........lol.......20 mins from my house yey (maybe...maybe not).

As for leaving Earth to survive, was thinkin more along the lines of leaving Earth so IT could survive....we should all jump off at the next interstellar bus stop and say sorry as we do so.............

monya

met a bloke the other day. got talking about ap as I do :wink:

. nice enuf guy, kinda alternative, vegan etc, all was going well until he confessed he believes and tells his kids that humans came from another planet after wrecking it thru abuse, just enuf of us got here to breed, and within a few years he believes we are headed for greener pastures in an as yet undiscovered solar system, after abandoning earth :shock:

Got all too weird for me :lol:

veggie boy

I also have no filling Jamie. My brother has 1. We had fluoride tablets. I'm not advocating them (and think fluoride in water is a disgrace cause you can't control the quantity consumed), but all the adults I know that have know fillings had fluoride as kids (tablets). Of course some also have the white spots.

Hethbo

same with me, I remember munching those pretty coloured tablets - and no fillings. My mum and others of her geneation seem to have mouths full of them.

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