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PostPosted: Sep 7th, '09, 21:35 
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I pay medicare taxes but make too much to use it. Should something happen to me financially I already have it to fall back on. Here in louisiana all children are already covered by a State government health plan based on income that is free or almost free dependant on family income. http://www.dhh.louisiana.gov/offices/?ID=119 If the Federal government takes over the coverage doesn't increase... only the pricetag. And I understand about 1/3 of the presently privately insured people would be forced by their income bracket to take the federal government plan. I've seen what they've done with the Flood insurance business not to mention the post office.

I was seriously hoping for some balance between the runnaway cost of healthcare and insurance (far right) and government run healthcare who only the working (shrinking) middle class would carry the entire tab so even higher runnaway costs (far left)!
Can't we just regulate the petro, energy, and health care industries.
If the government wants to help, build more medical schools and assist with the high costs of tuition of those. Drill for more oil locally. Build the wind farms as promised instead of giving to the banks and auto industies. Entire alternative energy power plants. And hospitals. But most important regulate priceing. When I go to the doctor...I see the receptionist who gets the personal and insurance info. Then a nurse practicioner, then the doctor for about 2 minutes, then the practicioner again then I pay the cashier my copay. The health care I get is dependent on that 2 minute decision of my doctor who is a good one. Last one was an old school doctor who kinda believed some people just have achs and pains. Not so good one. These are going to still be the same doctors using the same equipment in the same buildings. We just need more doctors. Doctors regulate how many doctors there are, and that is where we need the change. We just need some regulation. But since the Health care industry has risen to 15% of every dollar being spent in this country it's just to big a bag of money to keep their hands out of! If this government health plan is so good Let them give up their sweetheart private plan that the congressmen and senators get and wait in line with the rest of us. Let them walk the talk!
All the while hard core socialists and hard core capitolists are screaming at each other being un american. While we are seemingly a nation divided we are all getting fed up with the Federal Government!
Damn we need a viable third party in the States! This is .... for the birds!


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PostPosted: Sep 8th, '09, 00:05 
Oh for the day when governments are filled with independants elected by their communities eh BRB...

Yep the old hackneyed ideological dinosaur two party system is the by far the greatest blight upon good governance in most countries.... and allows them to spend their time and our money "playing the political game"... for re-election... rather than governing for the people...

If only we could outlaw/mandate the abolishment of "party politics"... still it would take several generations for people to get used to voting for "candidates"... rather than following political affiliations based on family history... or meaningless historically outdated ideologies...

God damn... we might actually have to start thinking about who was actually standing, what they were standing for... and whether or not they would represent/reflect our views and aspirations...

We'd have to return to actual political engagment and excise of our democratic rights... :lol:


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PostPosted: Sep 12th, '09, 17:22 
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BatonRouge Bill wrote:
If this government health plan is so good Let them give up their sweetheart private plan that the congressmen and senators get and wait in line with the rest of us. Let them walk the talk!

Right on BRB! That is the lie within socialism today.... not for all the people all the time. Just have to be top dog... or jostle really hard to make yourself "worthy" of the medi-care. Don't get too old. Not enough to go around in the end because those who know how to produce the capital needed .... the out-lawed capitalists... see no point in working hard to produce for only a debatable share.

Heard of the medical survey the veterans are being asked to fill out?

Page 23 of the .pdf... 21 of the booklet....has some interesting questions... Titled "What makes your life worth living?" After a series of depressing selections to choose from they are asked:
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Instructions To help others make sense out of your answers, think about the following questions and be sure to explain your answers to your loved ones and health care providers.
If you checked "worth living, but just barely" for more than one factor, would a combination of these
factors make your life "not worth living?" If so, which factors?
If you checked "not worth living," does this mean that you would rather die than be kept alive?
If you checked "can't answer now," what information or people do you need to help you decide?
http://www.rihlp.org/pubs/Your_life_your_choices.pdf

Really inspires confidence. Not.


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PostPosted: Sep 13th, '09, 01:07 
Oh that pdf is a hoot... took me ages to get past page 4... do you feel pain in a coma.... :lol:

I bet their other business is selling fidges to eskimos... :lol:

I really wouldn't place too much emphasis on such sources as creditable debate over serious issues Cyara...

Damn... I've got to learn to blog... or be a twit... :mrgreen:

People might start taking me seriously... :roll:


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do you feel pain in a coma.... :lol:

Bit like asking do you remember your amnesia...


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It's all a big pyramid scheme! Based on growth with the boomers all retiring shortly! Bush Sr. signed on the nafta a rider which will stop people my age from taking a lump sum retirement. If I take the lump while it's discounted from the annuitity if I die a week later my spouse and kids will get it in inheritance. In an annuitity guess who gets it!
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RupertofOZ wrote:
Oh that pdf is a hoot... took me ages to get past page 4... do you feel pain in a coma.... :lol:

I bet their other business is selling fidges to eskimos... :lol:

I really wouldn't place too much emphasis on such sources as creditable debate over serious issues Cyara...

Damn... I've got to learn to blog... or be a twit... :mrgreen:

People might start taking me seriously... :roll:

Might be more qualified than you think ROO! :D Ain't no blog.... RIHL is the Rhode Island Health Literacy Project. Their objectives?
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The RIHLP is a state-wide coalition of public health, adult education, and medical organizations.

The primary objectives of the RIHLP are:

1) To collaboratively develop and execute initiatives aimed at increasing the health literacy level of all Rhode Islanders, and

2) To increase the size of the population who understand health information and self-care instructions.

Now you got me laughing...


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I don't see a problem with the booklet, makes perfect sense to me, and I don't see how it can be used to pass judgements on a medical system.

It is titled "your life, your choices".
In the front it says:
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Many people don't plan for death and seriously debilitating conditions, here in western Australia recently we had a huge court case where a seriously disabled man had to fight to have his feeding through a tube stopped so that he could die. He was of sound mind so able to convince the court that it was his wish, but if he was mentally affect as well he may have been made to live on in constant pain being kept alive artificially.


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I have to agree EB. a living will is a good thing. I can allow a person to die with dignity.


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PostPosted: Sep 13th, '09, 11:23 
Yep, definitely nothing wrong with the concept of a "living will".... whether or not it can be enacted within the current legislation, or health system, might be another matter....

And certainly nothing wrong with placing an emphasis on a premise of self care in terms of an individuals obligation to maintain diet and lifestyle choices that minimise the need for medical care...

And there's nothing wrong with the Rhode Island Health Literacy Project writing about such things... I'd certainly hope a "literacy" project had some sort of "literary" expertise ...

But I don't know whether it necessarily follows that they have sufficient medical expertise to recommend anything other than generalised advice... and I certainly wouldn't want them operating on my hemorrhoids... :lol:

And discussions of self care need to be moderated by a level of medical expertise.. if they're going to go anywhere near the point of self-medication... just ask Michael...

In terms of the current US system, the degree of concession to any "living will"... or even the level of medical care... might be predicated by your level of income... and more particularly your level of insurance anyway...

I find it really strange that the rabid right is floating concepts of "death panels".... when many facilities under the current structure may already operate as such, in a defacto sense... by possibly refusing treatment because the patient isn't insured... or under-insured...


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