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PostPosted: Sep 12th, '09, 05:02 
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NAIS is still a creeping nightmare for U.S. farmers. A new white paper, just released this year from the National Independent Consumers and Farmers Association (NICFA), shows how devastating this program really could be, not only to farmers but to every consumer and the very structure of our future farms, as the majority of our food still comes from small farm operations.

National Animal Identification System (NAIS)
A report by the National Independent Consumers and Farmers Association (NICFA) March 4, 2009

http://nicfa.com/WhitePaperNAIS.pdf


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NAIS sounds just like our NLIS (National Livestock Identification System) And it was a pain in the ass to change over BUT it is a good thing, to be able to trace back a potentially devastating disease within 48 hours in a country as big as yours is definitely worth it, look how mad cow affected your beef industry for several years, that could have been cut down to a couple of months simply by tracking down and quarenteen the affected areas.
who ever wrote that page you`ve hi-lited should be fined/charged for misleading. the costs are not that bad $3.70(thats AU$) for a tag, man hours we did ours when we did the vaccinations so an extra couple of minutes per cow whoohoo. to register the property under $100 every three years i think.
And for the ppl they mentioned who got find they should have read and looked at the very clear illustrations the gov supplied better,heck if a simple construction worker like me can do it you think someone that dose cattle for a living can


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PostPosted: Sep 12th, '09, 11:50 
Kind of at a loss to understand the fuss as well TEA... Almost all livestock is tagged in NZ where I grow up... and has been for decades...

Primarily for breeding, production monitoring reasons... and for disease tracking... like TB, and Hydadits.... enable virtual eradication of those diseases from cattle stock in NZ...


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Sometimes to understand our future, we have to know our past- a legend of our time has gone from this world and few know of him. I thought that you should.

Nobel Prize winner Norman Borlaug dies at 95
Agricultural scientist Norman Borlaug, the father of the "green revolution" who won the Nobel Peace Prize for his role in combating world hunger and saving hundreds of millions of lives, died Saturday in Texas.
...The Nobel committee honored Borlaug in 1970 for his contributions to high-yield crop varieties and bringing other agricultural innovations to the developing world. Many experts credit the green revolution with averting global famine during the second half of the 20th century and saving perhaps 1 billion lives.
Thanks to the green revolution, world food production more than doubled between 1960 and 1990.
..."We would like his life to be a model for making a difference in the lives of others and to bring about efforts to end human misery for all mankind," his children said in a statement. "One of his favorite quotes was, 'Reach for the stars. Although you will never touch them, if you reach hard enough, you will find that you get a little 'star dust' on you in the process.'"
..."More than any other single person of his age, he has helped to provide bread for a hungry world," Nobel Peace Prize committee chairman Aase Lionaes said in presenting the award to Borlaug. "We have made this choice in the hope that providing bread will also give the world peace."
During the 1950s and 1960s, public health improvements fueled a population boom in underdeveloped nations, leading to concerns that agricultural systems could not keep up with growing food demand. Borlaug's work often is credited with expanding agriculture at just the moment such an increase in production was most needed.
..."Three or four decades ago, when we were trying to move technology into India, Pakistan and China, they said nothing could be done to save these people, that the population had to die off," he said in 2004.
..."We must recognize the fact that adequate food is only the first requisite for life," he said in his Nobel acceptance speech. "For a decent and humane life we must also provide an opportunity for good education, remunerative employment, comfortable housing, good clothing and effective and compassionate medical care."
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To have clean food, you have to have clean water- that is becoming a scarcer and scarcer commodity these days.
Here is an excerpt. For complete article, click on link below.

Clean water laws often ignored, at cost to health
Nationwide, polluters have violated federal act more than 500,000 times

Jennifer Hall-Massey knows not to drink the tap water in her home near Charleston, W.Va.
In fact, her entire family tries to avoid any contact with the water. Her youngest son has scabs on his arms, legs and chest where the bathwater — polluted with lead, nickel and other heavy metals — caused painful rashes. Many of his brother’s teeth were capped to replace enamel that was eaten away.
Neighbors apply special lotions after showering because their skin burns. Tests show that their tap water contains arsenic, barium, lead, manganese and other chemicals at concentrations federal regulators say could contribute to cancer and damage the kidneys and nervous system.
“How is this still happening today?” she asked.
...The Times obtained hundreds of thousands of water pollution records through Freedom of Information Act requests to every state and the E.P.A., and compiled a national database of water pollution violations that is more comprehensive than those maintained by states or the E.P.A. (For an interactive version, which can show violations in any community, visit www.nytimes.com/toxicwaters.)
In addition, The Times interviewed more than 250 state and federal regulators, water-system managers, environmental advocates and scientists.
That research shows that an estimated one in 10 Americans have been exposed to drinking water that contains dangerous chemicals or fails to meet a federal health benchmark in other ways.
Those exposures include carcinogens in the tap water of major American cities and unsafe chemicals in drinking-water wells.
Because most of today’s water pollution has no scent or taste, many people who consume dangerous chemicals do not realize it, even after they become sick, researchers say.
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Clean water... we get these bogas water test certificates every year form the water company. But somehow Louisiana still leads the nation in the amount of kids who end up in St Judes cancer research hospital.
I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that every polluting plant and municipal waste discharge along the Mississippi from the great lakes on down ends up settling here. And still an "A" report card on the water and voted best tasting! :puke:


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PostPosted: Sep 19th, '09, 01:09 
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I knew that the governments would eventually get to this as a means of reducing global warming, it is an easy fix, instead of controlling the corporations, big businesses and disposable consumer consumption that caused the mess in the first place. This doesn't bite into their profitability- these days it's hard to tell if it's the business'es profits, the wealthy's profits or the government's profits that we're talking about- the lines have become blurred. But of course, this idea is not for their own countries but for the most expendable populations.

For now, it is voluntary..... sounds like NAIS, that was suppose to be "voluntary" too.

Birth control could help combat climate change
Giving contraceptives to people in developing countries could help fight climate change by slowing population growth, experts said Friday.
..."There is now an emerging debate and interest about the links between population dynamics, sexual and reproductive health and rights, and climate change," the commentary says.
...The world's population is projected to jump to 9 billion by 2050, with more than 90 percent of that growth coming from developing countries.
...Experts believe that while normal population growth is unlikely to significantly increase global warming that overpopulation in developing countries could lead to increased demand for food and shelter, which could jeopardize the environment as it struggles with global warming.
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We are about to pass a milestone.

Half Of Global Fish Consumed Now Farm Raised

http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/17 ... index.html


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I wonder though.... Are we passing this milestone by choice, or just because there are so few ocean stocks left.


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I think more people should raise fish at home. Chickens are okay but theres bird flu. Pigs are out cos of the swine flu. But I haven't heard of the fish flu yet. :mrgreen:


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I was in NT around 1980... and saw fish flew.... rained mud skippers for about twenty mins... :mrgreen:


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Seriously, this cant be healthy.
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I think more people should raise fish at home. Chickens are okay but theres bird flu. Pigs are out cos of the swine flu. But I haven't heard of the fish flu yet. :mrgreen:

How could fish have fish flu if they opened there mouth to cough they would get it full of water and drown :roll:


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Trees are growing at higher latitudes on the globe but is it from Co2 or greater amounts of the suns radiation? Ask around and you will find answers that will collaborate either side that is heavily seasoned with opinion. Try to find some raw data that isn't relative to something else. Just pure quantitive numbers. For years I had to watch the news on 3 different channels to try to separate opinion and spin to get to the truth. If you watched only one channel would always agree with the editorialist. But if you watched all three skeptically, different facts would emerge in each that wouldn't make much difference in the one editorial but if the facts were taken together the opinions would often be in direct conflict with the facts. The globe cooled over the last 9 years so that shouldn't be the answer to why this is happening but maybe. But certainly this fact taken with other conflicting facts should raise both doubt and curiosity and a genuine longing for the truth. Every time I think about the volcano in the Philippine islands that erupted in the early 80's that spewed out more C02 than mankind has made since the beginning of time I can't help but think that it's plain vanity to think we are responsible for warming the globe. The globe is warming, based on a few hundred year average, the numbers prove it out. I do believe we can and are poisoning it for our selves and our fellow inhabitants. So if global warming is the reason to stop polluting I guess it can be as good as any I've heard. There are big big problems in the world and we are wasting a lot of effort to stop something bigger than a collective man kind can solve, any more than slowing the rotation of the earth down to have a longer day and a longer nights rest. We could be doing more to sustain ably, feed the hungry, cure the sick, reestablish forests and ecosystems and do it in an organized methodical manor. Anyway I do love my Planet Earth video collection and I'm sure it was inspired mostly by the global warming opinions of today, And really would like to see some unbiased research, but seriouslly who would fund it?

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http://www.kusi.com/home/78477082.html?video=pop&t=a
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I haven't posted much for a while, haven't had time for much of anything until lately, and I did a search to see if anyone had told the forum that. at last, NAIS- the National Animal Identification System- has been scrapped!! Finally, a little common sense from our government but if you noticed in the article, the government hasn't given up completely, just planning to change tatics. Here's the article.

U>S.D.A. Plans to Drop Program to Trace Livestock
By WILLIAM NEUMAN
Published: February 5, 2010

Faced with stiff resistance from ranchers and farmers, the Obama administration has decided to scrap a national program intended to help authorities quickly identify and track livestock in the event of an animal disease outbreak.

In abandoning the program, called the National Animal Identification System, officials said they would start over in trying to devise a livestock tracing program that could win widespread support from the industry.

The agriculture secretary, Tom Vilsack, will announce the changes on Friday, according to officials at the Agriculture Department, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the decision had not yet been made public.

The officials said that it would be left to the states to devise many aspects of a new system, including requirements for identifying livestock.

New federal rules will be developed but the officials said they would apply only to animals being moved in interstate commerce, such as cattle raised in one state being transported to a slaughterhouse in another state.

It could take two years or more to create new federal rules, the officials said, and it was not clear how far the government would go to restrict the movement of livestock between states if the animals did not meet basic traceability standards.

The system was created by the Bush administration in 2004 after the discovery in late 2003 of a cow infected with mad cow disease.

Participation of ranchers and farmers in the identification system was voluntary, but the goal was to give every animal, or in the case of pigs and poultry, groups of animals, a unique identification number that would be entered in a database. The movements of animals would be tracked, and if there was a disease outbreak or a sick animal was found, officials could quickly locate other animals that had been exposed.

But the system quickly drew the ire of many farmers and ranchers, particularly cattle producers. Some objected to the cost of identification equipment and the extra work in having to report their animals’ movements. Others said they believed the voluntary system would become mandatory, that it was intrusive and that the federal government would use it to pry into their lives and finances.

The old system received $142 million in federal financing, but gained the participation of only 40 percent of the nation’s livestock producers, according to a report by the Congressional Research Service.

When Mr. Vilsack took over the Agriculture Department last year, he began a series of public meetings on the identification program and was bombarded by strident opposition.

Agriculture officials said that most details of a new system would be worked out in the coming months through consultation with the livestock industry and the states.

“It was just overwhelming in the country that people didn’t like it, and I think they took that feedback to heart,” said Mary Kay Thatcher, public policy director of the American Farm Bureau Federation, which had opposed the identification system. “I think it’s good they’ve at least said we’re going to do something different.”

Carol Tucker Foreman, a food safety expert of the Consumer Federation of America, agreed that the old system was not working and needed to be changed.

But she worried that a new system that could have different rules in every state might not be effective.

“It’s very, very hard to have an effective state-by-state program,” she said.


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Now I know why Europe doesn't have GMO's; at least public opinion helped there. It hasn't here yet and worse, we are not even allowed to know which foods have GMO's in them, probably because it is about 98% of all packaged, processed foods. And as a nation, we are getting fatter and fatter and fatter and sicker and sicker and sicker... but there's no coorelation.

Arpad Pusztai: Biological divideThe scientist at the centre of a storm over GM foods 10 years ago tells James Randerson he is unrepentant


James Randerson The Guardian, Tuesday 15 January 2008 Article historyContrary to the belief of some in the scientific community, Dr Arpad Pusztai does not have horns or a malevolent cackle. Nor does he inhabit an imposing gothic mansion bought with the proceeds of guest appearances as an eco-hero. In fact, he lives in a modest semi in Aberdeen.

This elderly man is one of the most divisive figures in biology. Many blame him for tilting the balance in the PR battle over GM food towards public rejection. His research on GM potatoes - which came explosively into the public spotlight in a World in Action programme in August 1998 - has been dismissed as poorly done, muddled and even fabricated. Yet to anti-GM campaigners he is a hero - the scientist who stood up to the establishment and, as a result, had his career squashed at the behest of shadowy forces in the GM industry and the government.

"I think it did a lot of damage because ... the vast majority of people were somewhat neutral at the time," said Professor Chris Leaver, a plant scientist and strong supporter of GM at Oxford University. "I think the NGOs ... decided that they would make a play using him. I think he got hijacked and then he got out of his depth."

The affair finished off Pusztai's research career (although at the time he was already 69) and affected his health. His supporters were appalled by his treatment at the hands of the publicly funded Rowett Research Institute in Aberdeen, which he had served with distinction for most of his career. He was regarded as a world expert on plant lectins - defensive proteins that kill insects and other invaders - with over 300 scientific papers, including two in the prestigious journal Nature.

"I would have characterised [his treatment] as disgraceful. I don't see how any reputable scientist ... could be treated in this way," said Dr Stanley Ewen, a pathologist who was then at the University of Aberdeen and who worked with Pusztai.

Having said of GM food in 1998: "If I had the choice I would certainly not eat it", and that "I find it's very unfair to use our fellow citizens as guinea pigs", it's easy to imagine Pusztai was ideologically opposed to GM. But this is far from the truth, he tells me. "I'm strictly science-based ... It is not an ideology for me." Still, he confesses that his opposition to the technology has hardened over the years, and he still won't eat it. "Even now, I am not a campaigner. I have never belonged to any organisation campaigning for or against it."

He felt he had a duty to speak out, "just to inject some caution into this business", he says. "Make no mistake, this is an irreversible technology. It is no good 50 years later to say: 'We should have known.'"

Concerns aired

Pusztai clearly wanted his concerns to be aired publicly, but he does not come across as a man who relished or courted publicity. He was very happy, for example, that the institute's director, Philip James, shielded him from interview requests. "I was quite happy with this ... I am an academic scientist. I've never been exposed to this," he says, "I'm really not a very media person."

Pusztai says James, on the other hand, was anxious to exploit the media attention. "The director kept running around like a blue-arsed fly. This was a tremendous public relations business for him."

James even put in a complimentary phone call to Pusztai that August evening. "I telephoned Pusztai immediately after the broadcast to congratulate him on the modest way in which he had presented the evidence on the programme," says James, although he denies relishing the publicity. He says he had grave doubts about the interview going ahead in the first place.

By this stage, Pusztai was feeling extremely uncomfortable about what he was hearing on news bulletins about his own research. "I heard things that really disturbed me," he says. "My head was buzzing ... the whole thing was getting totally out of hand."

The results that Pusztai had hinted at in his interview were a comparison of rats fed ordinary potatoes and potatoes that had been genetically modified with a lectin from snowdrops. The rats on the GM diet grew less well and had immune problems even though the lectin itself caused no adverse effects at high concentrations. His conclusion was that the GM process had somehow made the potatoes less nutritious. The GM potatoes were not a commercial variety and were never intended for human consumption, but the lectin modification - which made them poisonous to insects - was an experimental model for other GM varieties.

But newspaper stories generated confusion over the nature of the genetic modification. These articles refer to potatoes modified with a lectin gene from jackbean that is poisonous to mammals. But no one can agree on where this came from. The misinformation was formalised in a press release issued by the Rowett. James says Pusztai approved it. Pusztai says he was not aware of it until it was published. Either way, the jackbean experiments that never were have proved extremely damaging to Pusztai. Even now, GM scientists dismiss Pusztai's work on the grounds of a supposed schoolboy error: of course the rats suffered, they say, they were being fed potatoes that were genetically modified to produce a poison.

The day after the World in Action programme, Pusztai's boss changed his mood from congratulation to condemnation. "My change in attitude was dramatic because I discovered that Pusztai ... had never conducted the studies which he had claimed," says James, an accusation that Pusztai strongly denies. He says he never claimed to have done the jackbean experiments. "He just simply wanted to put a real cap on it," says Pusztai. "The simplest way to do it was to suspend all research activities into this business." Pusztai's supporters claim that James came under pressure from Downing Street to put a lid on the affair.

Suspended and silenced

James suspended Pusztai and used misconduct procedures to seize his data. Pusztai's rolling annual contract was not renewed and he was banned from speaking publicly. Pusztai says he wanted to publish his results but was concerned that James would veto any approach to an academic journal.

In 1998, if James had hoped that gagging Pusztai would make the affair go away he was wrong. Continued media speculation was doing considerable damage to public confidence in GM food and this prompted the Royal Society - the UK's premier scientific academy - to enter the fray.

Although none of Pusztai's results had yet been published, it set about reviewing the information that did exist - an internal report written by Pusztai, an audit of the data produced by the Rowett, and an independent statistical analysis carried out by Biomathematics and Statistics Scotland. The data was sent to six anonymous reviewers. The subsequent report savaged Pusztai's results, but he remains defiant.

The Royal Society putdown was predictable. The reviewers had placed a hotchpotch of lab reports and statistical analyses that were never intended for publication under intense scrutiny. "There was practically nothing in it but numbers," says Pusztai. He and Ewen point out that peer reviewers had praised the methodological details of the experiment when their application for a £1.6m research grant from the Scottish Office was given the go-ahead.

Some of the disputed data did eventually see the light of day in October 1999, when Ewen and Puztai published a paper in the prestigious medical journal the Lancet. Because of its controversial nature, the data paper was seen by six reviewers - three times the usual number. Five gave it the green light. The paper - which used data held by Ewen and so was not subject to veto by James - showed that rats fed on potatoes genetically modified with the snowdrop lectin had unusual changes to their gut tissue compared with rats fed on normal potatoes. It has been criticised on the grounds that the unmodified potatoes were not a fair control diet.

I put it to Pusztai that he is demanding a level of testing for GM food that is not applied to conventional plant breeding. Radiation and mutation-causing chemicals, for example, are standard techniques used to create new varieties, and both can create unexpected genetic changes. He bats this away. "Two negatives don't make a positive," he responds. "It doesn't mean that I agree with those techniques."

The difference with GM, he says, is that there is a political agenda at work. "Ninety-five per cent of GM is coming from America, so naturally it is in their interests to push it," he says, "I have no ideological grounds against Monsanto [the biotechnology company]. For me it's a scientific argument. They have not done a proper job [of testing], and they are just using their political and economic muscle to foist it on us."

Does he regret speaking publicly about his research prior to publication - generally regarded as a cardinal sin by scientists? "No," he says. "I was publicly funded and I thought the public had a right to know." He also rejects the notion that he would have achieved more by waiting until the science was in print. Since he went public, he estimates he has given between 150 and 200 lectures around the world. And in 2005 he was honoured with a whistleblower award from the Federation of German Scientists.

"Even our best scientific publications - I don't think they are read by more than 50 people," he says. "This had impact ... to my damage, but it had impact."


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