Backyard Aquaponics
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For those already taking anti-depressants ,, be VERY careful not to be tempted to use St Johns Wort.They do NOT mix well.

the bisexual are more tropical. Theres actually many varieties.
ive been recommending waimanolo for small spaces because its starts fruiting at 4-5 foot
so easier to protect from frost in cooler climates
maybe a large AP tub on wheels!

if you live in an area that stays too cool for ripening try a greenhouse and reflected heat.
or get a cutting of Babaco (Carica pentagona). not the same fruit as pawpaw/papaya

BTW theres a language problem i can see in this thread
BRB is talking about bare rooted pawpaw, hes meaning i think Asimina biloba
a custard apple relative native to the swamps of southern USA

whereas Aussies are referring to what the rest of the world calls Papaya



they can all be eaten raw.
i like a simple sald with raw papaya grated, grated raw carrot, slivers of julienned cucumber, fish sauce, lime juice topped with toasted crushed peanuts WIWO Prawns. good



they are so easy to grow. lovely trees
soak them 24 hours then put in a pot outsideand let them overwinter
they drop from the tree not finished
they need a post harvest warm period where the embryo is fertilised and matures
(they are unique as they are a plant with motile sperm!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginkgo_biloba#Reproduction

i buy fresh nuts and then do this and almost all of them come up
it may take 30 years to get nuts but the autumn leaf fall is the medicinal part
collect and dry these or make tincture straight away
Its mainly used in TCM to improve the coronary heart flow, but is now used in western herbalism for similar effects in the brain. If you are on blood thinners consult your doctor as it also thins the blood

so just how cold does it get there BRB? whats your USDA zone?

Apart from being hardy these species , from the range youve shown me already look like they fit in your climate. They are hardy and could be used as shelter from winds

Chinese raisin tree (Hovenia dulcis)
Loquat (Eriobotrya japonica)
Persimmon (Diospyros virginiana)
Amelanchier
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serviceberry
Elaeagnus species - esp east asian types. Ive got 2 incl E oldfieldii

if you need compact shelter then ive found Bambusa textilis var gracilis is just fantastic
Hardy to -12 degrees celcius (10.4 F)
almost as hardy and more useful as food is oldhams bamboo, Bambusa oldhamii.
Both are non-invasive clumpers

Cyara

have you tried Silverhillseeds?
they are my favourite South african seed supplier

http://www.silverhillseeds.co.za/

they dont have mulberries but they have all sorts of other african fruits and medicinals
Marulas, Moringas, Manketti nuts, monkey oranges and more!

if you find out the rules on importing mulberry cuttings/ budwood in general
im sure at some point i could send you a bundle in moist coir
picked dormant at the end of winter. dipped in bleach
rinsed and recut, dip cuts in IBA
the store in moist coir.
that would travel well. youd just have to figure out if its allowed.
The long white mulberry is so vigorous! For me the long red isnt.

I have no luck with mail order trees. I cant tell you how many pawpaw trees I have ordered from different sources and only one of them ever sprouted single leaf, but later died.

they are said to be hard to transplant
so dont feel bad

have you tried seeds?
ive seen them on ebay but they wont ship outsde the USA

but for you..

http://reviews.ebay.com/Asimina-triloba ... 0001408925

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... ide:3&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... ide:4&rd=1

Without getting entangled within a debate regarding personal attitudes to introducing non-native flora and fauna into any members particular location...

I think it is important to remind members that it may be illegal and contrary to quarantine legislation to import seeds/plants from overseas.. without either approval or declaration...

Similarly... I think it needs to be stated that the owners of this forum can not and do not condone any such practices... and would no doubt ask all members to abide by the respective national and local laws and regulations...

I will refer this thread to Joel, who will no doubt post a definitive position...

i am definitely aware of this as i regularly go through the process

see post here about how to know what seeds you can and cannot import
there is a relatively simple database that tells you the rules

dont forget to declare on the outside of the box. Thats a customs matter
Customs and Quarantine are not the same departments

http://www.backyardaquaponics.com/forum ... 56#p192256

also just to re-iterate

i could export mulberry budwood..
BUT only if thats OK with the destination country.
Not all countries are restrictive with quarantine like Australia
rules governing export are very different to import rules
its a case of case by case.

the other species mentioned here are all permitted imports
ive checked and its clearly stated by the government bodies
www.aqis.gov.au/icon

The US also allows for small lots of seeds to be imported.
http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2006/06-3554.htm
But thanks for the mention Rupe, I certainly wouldn't want any harm to come of the forum or of BYAP.

None listed as noxious State or Fed.
http://plants.usda.gov/java/noxious?rpt ... atefips=22

White mulberry is listed as invasive species in most southern US states, I guess thats why I can't get them.

Actually ginko leaf was not used in Traditional Chinese Medicine, only the nut was it's called Yin Guo and is mainly used for cough and asthma. The leaf was a western discovery as the active ingredient is in too low a concentration for any effect in teas and not much in tinctures. Modern usage involves high concentration to get the active ingredient and yes it's used for peripheral circulation issues.

Also the nut is mildly toxic - overdose can cause skin problems and strip the mucus membranes.

I ordered the gingko seeds because it was touted in one of the success type seminars given by some motivational speaker at work as to help with mental clarity and the ginseng for a general well being and thought it would go well in a medicinal herbal garden. I wanted the ephedra because it was one of the only over the counter diet supplement that actually worked. Too bad the FDA had it pulled because people were taking 3 pills-3 x per day and were wondering why their heart was racing!
Thanks for the growing tips juicemonkey, I'm in the USDA zone 8b.
Most every thing there will be grown in pots including the coffee which are the smaller varieties on purpose to be able to protect from the hard freezes. I may plant the Bay leaf as a shrub.

im just going off a few sources
you may be right that it was refined in the west. but my sources claim folk use. and also that it is used in commercial TCM for these purposes

1 is commercial extracts, indicating a dose of leaf to be 7000mg equiv. 7 grams of leaf.

and a book
http://books.google.com/books?id=xKGxTc ... navlinks_s

page 84 and 85
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z144 ... 0001-2.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z144 ... an0003.jpg

ephedra and ephedrine arent the same thing in practice.
ephedra contains ephedrine, but it also contains a lot more.
just like raw cane juice is a different beast to refined white sugar.
its not nearly as risky to the heart in its correct dose as the purified compound
a decoction of mid-stems of plants more than 3 years old is used. young plants are weak, old and the newest growth is weak.

it can depress appetite. but im not sure its safe for that long term
im not recommending it.
its more a cold and flu remedy - along with cinnamon and licorice

though the mormons drink mormon tea instead of coffee and tea. For some reason they dont seem to take these, or eat chilli. each to their own.
Ephedra nevadensis contains mostly pseudoephedrine.
http://www.mormonstoday.com/000820/N6MormonTea01.shtml

theres another herb containing ephedrine that actually depresses heart rate
sida cordifolia
its sold as a thermogenic aid, but tests indicate it is a cns depressant
this is due to the complex constituents that allow some effects of the ephedrine but counteract the effect on the heart. amazing herb and and annual 'weed' of overgrazed subtropical and tropical pastures.
either way is a rasayana herb in aurveda. the class of herbs that increase lifespan and vital energies
http://books.google.com/books?id=aQh25X ... kQT4uKSHDw
search in book for 'Bala'

also re gingko
at asan grocers i usually find them under 'Bai guo'
bai being 'white', white nuts

If aussies want to try American pawpaws

http://www.yaminarareplants.com.au/cont ... Herbal.htm

they have named varieties.
Located in Victoria and do mail order.

they have a great range of ultra rare fruits for your food forest garden