⚠️ This forum has been restored as a read-only archive so the knowledge shared by the community over many years remains available. New registrations and posting are disabled.

All times are UTC + 8 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 360 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 ... 24  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Jun 24th, '09, 14:40 
Xtreme Contributor
Xtreme Contributor

Joined: Jun 15th, '09, 23:25
Posts: 102
Gender: Male
Location: townsville
RupertofOZ wrote:
Perhaps we could assist Monsanto & Dole in the quest for a more wholesome, flavoursome products...

Like directing them towards heirloom seeds... :mrgreen:


they know this.
thats where theyll be getting the genes from

its the age old story
the Govt depts collect the landrace seed, farmers seed and gardeneres seed for crops around teh world
they store then in underfunded facilites

Company writes to the seed collection requesting samples
and they recieve them at no cost
they then breed new varieties out of them
and then patent them

sometimes they are so cheeky they dont even do any breeding, they just take a landrace and register it as a new breed
an institution in Australia dis that sometime in the last decade, and got caught out, trying to claim ownership over a Taiwanese landrace of mung beans. cant find a link online to the story but it was a scandal at the time

Australia has its own govt gene banks
and ive written toi them for seeds
Millets, sunflowers from malawi, cowpeas, perrennial teosinte (relative of maize),amaranth, Kenaf (better fibre than hemp) and a productive grain legume variety of dolichos lablab

they wont give you everything. some are in short supply.
but if you were serious about conserving or developing agricultural germplasm
this is your resource

AUSPGRIS
http://www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/extra/asp/auspgris/

likewise i have mate in the USA who use their govt. seed service, which is an amazing resource
i cant recall what its called but being in the americas they have incredible collections of cultivated crops adn also all the wild relatives - like for example the mnay species of whild chillis from Argentina (and the galapagos islands) all the way up to the USA

if you are serious about negating the threat then you needto save your own seeds
not all planst are feasible on a home garden
Corn , cabbages, broccoli, melons, pumpkins etc need to be grown in number to mainatin them long term

but lettuce, tomato, chilli, beans can all be kept from just a few of the healthiest planst as they naturally self pollinate
and we nee dto try many varieties new and old because this is a new growing media where old genes will respond in new ways


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
    Advertisement
 
PostPosted: Jun 24th, '09, 20:44 
A posting God
A posting God
User avatar

Joined: Sep 4th, '07, 04:16
Posts: 2475
Location: Texas
Gender: Male
Are you human?: YES
Location: Texas 75703
That is very interesting! I need to find the usa seed bank type thing and request seeds. Im all about trying not so poplar species of plants.

BTW there is grape tree that suffers from none of the grape vine diseases. Anyone know what its called?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Jun 24th, '09, 22:19 
Xtreme Contributor
Xtreme Contributor

Joined: Jun 15th, '09, 23:25
Posts: 102
Gender: Male
Location: townsville
depends where you are
where i used to live you never knew if itd flood or be drought that year

so people grew different types
in the humid years the isabella, iona, carolina black, chambourcin would fruit well
but in drought years the sultana (Thompson seedless) would come into its own
hedging bets..

Vines with some or all Vitis labrusca heritage often cope with summer humidity far better here in subtropical australia than do the European V vinifera
http://chestofbooks.com/gardening-horti ... ids-I.html

i wish i could get some muscadine seeds
maybe you mean them?
http://hubpages.com/hub/Muscadines_Native_Grapes_South


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Jun 24th, '09, 23:33 
Xtreme Contributor
Xtreme Contributor

Joined: Jun 15th, '09, 23:25
Posts: 102
Gender: Male
Location: townsville
heres the US seedbank

http://www.ars-grin.gov/npgs/

say i type in
capsicum...

i get 4604 accessions

triticum - 57994 accessions - wheats
Glycine -20881 accessions - soybean
beta -1956 accessions - beets
fragaria - 1877 accessions- strawberries
malus -5106 accessions - apples

so there you have it. the future of food.
all the worlds most precious jewels locked away
question is are we going to leave it to the multinationals to play with or are we going to use it for our own purposes
most people dont even know this exists

this is a good book on how people are using it
http://www.amazon.com/Breed-Your-Own-Ve ... 457&sr=1-1

and hres an oldie from 1928 that reminds us of just how important these collections of far flung germplasm were to the 20th century. theyll be even more important for this one!
http://www.amazon.com/Hunger-Fighters-P ... 0156424304


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Jun 24th, '09, 23:38 
Xtreme Contributor
Xtreme Contributor

Joined: Jun 15th, '09, 23:25
Posts: 102
Gender: Male
Location: townsville
National Plant Germplasm System

Summary of the holdings of the NPGS as of 21-Jun-2009

Number of families represented: 236

Number of genera represented: 2169

Number of species represented: 13184

Number of accessions represented: 519004


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Jun 24th, '09, 23:56 
Legend Member
Legend Member

Joined: Feb 8th, '07, 11:18
Posts: 975
Location: Buckhead, The City of Atlanta, The State of Georgia, The Republic of the United States of America
Gender: Male
Are you human?: Yes
Location: United States
I've offered to ship muscadine seeds to Aussies in the past, but apparently your import regulations are super strict :? .


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Jun 25th, '09, 00:04 
And rightly so IMO.... and the issue has been raised in the past... and needs to be addressed clearly by the forum mods...

See my post here... viewtopic.php?p=192243#p192243


Top
  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Jun 25th, '09, 00:17 
A posting God
A posting God
User avatar

Joined: Apr 3rd, '08, 01:57
Posts: 2256
Location: Australia Sydney
Gender: Male
Are you human?: yes
Location: Gods own country,Sydney South
Yep ,, we don't want seeds , wood and fruit ..... we gotta keep them bugs and deseases out


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Jun 25th, '09, 00:46 
Xtreme Contributor
Xtreme Contributor

Joined: Jun 15th, '09, 23:25
Posts: 102
Gender: Male
Location: townsville
not true

true for plants unless you have an import permit and post entry quarantine
but seed is another matter

the way you find out if you can bring in seed is simple

www.aqis.gov.au/ICON

do a search and itll tell you if its permitted and under what conditions
i import a lot of seeds and i find most have simple conditions

1. Clean seed
2. Clean sealed bag
3. Clearly labelled with botanical name

you declare to customs that there are seeds in the parcel using the standard form
and thats all there is to it

basically legumes and grains are out, so are grapes, all stone fruit, bananas - almost anything thats a big industry. you can still bring it in but you have to pay for post entry growout in quarantine facility and testing for virus and other diseases.
however most veggies are fine to import.

if its not listed you have to lodge a risk assessmnet for that species. if it passes then it gets added to the list of permitted species.
just remember to check the database and you wont go wrong.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Jun 25th, '09, 00:57 
Xtreme Contributor
Xtreme Contributor

Joined: Jun 15th, '09, 23:25
Posts: 102
Gender: Male
Location: townsville
i think i see the problem

when i said i wish i could get muscadines
i mean excatly that
i know i cant, but i wish i could
i wasnt trying to publicly solicit them

its all good.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Jun 25th, '09, 09:40 
No problems Juicemonkey... and thanks for outlining the procedures....

The key words I used were in line with what you've posted.... approval and declaration...

I have no problem with compliance... but have doubts as to whether eBay users/sellers might do so... :wink:


Top
  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Jun 25th, '09, 09:52 
Xtreme Contributor
Xtreme Contributor

Joined: Jun 15th, '09, 23:25
Posts: 102
Gender: Male
Location: townsville
in practice
i have had awful troubles getting ebayers in the USA to send me seed im allowed to import!
even after i demonstrate the legislation allows it.

as a result i dont even try on ebay much anymore, except in Australia
but im happy to provide links for our US members

With the AQIS site
check everytime
because rule change
for example tomatoes have recently been removed from the permitted list
so saving seed of the rare types we have in circulation now just got doubly valuable


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Jul 4th, '09, 04:41 
Legend Member
Legend Member

Joined: Apr 17th, '08, 02:47
Posts: 601
Location: Tulare County, California, U.S.A
Gender: Female
Organic, as a name brand, is taking a huge hit right now in the media- after reading this article, I can see why- some of the allowed items are revolting to eating in your food. If that is what is in organic food, I can't imagine what is in our ordinary food- I've almost lost all interest in all processed, restaurant and store bought food. If I had the means, I would grow absolutely everything- from fodder for the livestock, to my own fish feed, to my own fruits and vegetables, to my own coffee and flour.
I posted the first page but click on the link to read the entire article.

Federal ‘organic’ label’s integrity under fire
Consumers who pay up to twice as much don’t always get what they expect

WASHINGTON - Three years ago, U.S. Department of Agriculture employees determined that synthetic additives in organic baby formula violated federal standards and should be banned from a product carrying the federal organic label. Today the same additives, purported to boost brainpower and vision, can be found in 90 percent of organic baby formula.
The government's turnaround, from prohibition to permission, came after a USDA program manager was lobbied by the formula makers and overruled her staff. That decision and others by a handful of USDA employees, along with an advisory board's approval of a growing list of non-organic ingredients, have helped numerous companies win a coveted green-and-white "USDA Organic" seal on an array of products.
Grated organic cheese, for example, contains wood starch to prevent clumping. Organic beer can be made from non-organic hops. Organic mock duck contains a synthetic ingredient that gives it an authentic, stringy texture.
Relaxation of the federal standards, and an explosion of consumer demand, have helped push the organics market into a $23 billion-a-year business, the fastest growing segment of the food industry. Half of the country's adults say they buy organic food often or sometimes, according to a survey last year by the Harvard School of Public Health.
Expanding market
But the USDA program's shortcomings mean that consumers, who at times must pay twice as much for organic products, are not always getting what they expect: foods without pesticides and other chemicals, produced in a way that is gentle to the environment.
The market's expansion is fueling tension over whether the federal program should be governed by a strict interpretation of "organic" or broadened to include more products by allowing trace elements of non-organic substances. The argument is not over whether the non-organics pose a health threat, but whether they weaken the integrity of the federal organic label.
Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack has pledged to protect the label, even as he acknowledged the pressure to lower standards to let more products in.
In response to complaints, the USDA inspector general's office has widened an investigation of whether products carrying the label meet national standards. The probe is also looking into the department's oversight of private certifiers who are hired by farmers and food producers and inspect products to determine whether they can use the label.
Some consumer groups and members of Congress say they worry that the program's lax standards are undermining the federal program and the law itself.
"It will unravel everything we've done if the standards can no longer be trusted," said Sen. Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.), who sponsored the federal organics legislation. "If we don't protect the brand, the organic label, the program is finished. It could disappear overnight."
Organic advocates and food marketing experts said the introduction this month of new "natural" products by an organics division of Dean Foods is the latest sign that the value of the USDA label has eroded. The yogurt and milk products will be distributed under the Horizon label and marketed as a lower-priced alternative to organic products.
Congress adopted the organics law after farmers and consumers demanded uniform standards for produce, dairy and meat. The law banned synthetics, pesticides and genetic engineering from foods that would bear a federal organic label. It also required annual testing for pesticides. And it was aimed at preventing producers from falsely claiming their foods were organic.
Corporate firepower
The USDA created the National Organic Program in 2002 to implement the law. By then, major food companies had bought up most small, independent organic companies. Kraft Foods, for example, owns Boca Foods. Kellogg owns Morningstar Farms, and Coca-Cola owns 40 percent of Honest Tea, maker of the organic beverage favored by President Obama.
That corporate firepower has added to pressure on the government to expand the definition of what is organic, in part because processed foods offered by big industry often require ingredients, additives or processing agents that either do not exist in organic form or are not available in large enough quantities for mass production.
Under the original organics law, 5 percent of a USDA-certified organic product can consist of non-organic substances, provided they are approved by the National Organic Standards Board. That list has grown from 77 to 245 substances since it was created in 2002. Companies must appeal to the board every five years to keep a substance on the list, explaining why an organic alternative has not been found. The goal was to shrink the list over time, but only one item has been removed so far.
The original law's mandate for annual pesticide testing was also never implemented — the agency left that optional.
From the beginning, farmers and consumer advocates were concerned about safeguarding the organic label. In 2003, Arthur Harvey, who grows organic blueberries in Maine, successfully sued the USDA, arguing that the fledgling National Organic Program had violated federal law by allowing synthetic additives.
"The big boys like Kraft realized they could really cash in by filling the shelves with products with the organics seal," Harvey said. "But they were sort of inhibited by the original law that said no synthetic ingredients."
His victory was short-lived. The Organic Trade Association, which represents corporations such as Kraft, Dole and Dean Foods, lobbied for and received language in a 2006 appropriations bill allowing certain synthetic food substances in the preparation, processing and packaging of organic foods, creating conditions for a flood of processed organic foods.
Tom Harding, a Pennsylvania-based consultant for small local farmers and big producers, including Kraft, said that broadening the law has helped meet demand by multiplying the number of organic products and greatly expanded the amount of agricultural land that is being managed organically.
"We don't want to eliminate anyone who wants to be a part of the organic community," Harding said. "The growth we've seen has helped the entire organic food chain."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31719136/ns ... alth_news/


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Jul 4th, '09, 05:51 
A posting God
A posting God
User avatar

Joined: Sep 4th, '07, 04:16
Posts: 2475
Location: Texas
Gender: Male
Are you human?: YES
Location: Texas 75703
:roll: BYAP all the way!


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Jul 4th, '09, 09:37 
Legend Member
Legend Member

Joined: Feb 8th, '07, 11:18
Posts: 975
Location: Buckhead, The City of Atlanta, The State of Georgia, The Republic of the United States of America
Gender: Male
Are you human?: Yes
Location: United States
I don't understand this "almost lost all interest in processed, restaurant and store bought food" statement :).


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 360 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 ... 24  Next

All times are UTC + 8 hours


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron

Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
Portal by phpBB3 Portal © phpBB Türkiye
[ Time : 0.111s | 14 Queries | GZIP : Off ]