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+1 cnichols.

I think things have gone past the old label of "conspiracy theories" now to an almost stunned disbelief as headlines blatantly proclaim violations of privacy and controlling agendas once held to be secret. Control of food is essential for world control. I have almost staggered at new stuff coming out all the time now that even a decade ago we could never have believed possible. Many still don't believe it..... Understandable. We all want the future to look brighter than today. Bible prophecy is being fulfilled at an astonishing rate. It has become increasingly easy to tie up daily headlines with the what was foretold in the Scriptures.... a one world government...currency... and religion.... abolute control. Destruction of Israel sought ..... culminating in the battle of Armegeddon. Obama's policies so far have quickly moved this forward. He is definitely not pro-Israel. In fact, I strongly suspect he would like to see them removed .... assuming them to be a destabiliser in the Middle East. But Jehovah has declared Israel the Apple of His eye..... Bless Israel and you are blessed.... curse them and you are cursed. Iran is the trouble... backed by Russian agenda for world domination. The race is on... and it is nasty.

And welcome to you too. I see you are also new.

A long held position of the Roman Catholic Church since it's inception... and a position restated by Pope John Paul's call for "a new world order"....

With the Catholic Church at it's head... of course...




Cyara, you seem to have consistantly posted an anti-Obama stance since his election... is this a personal viewpoint... or one adopted from readings of those that influence you???

And what drives it???... what underscores it??

What evidence is there that "Obama's policies so far have quickly moved this forward."...

The only references to the Isreali/Palestinian problem I've seen eminating from the US administration.... are a renewed call for a peaceful resolution of the problem by dialogue...

What evidence is there that either Obama personally, or the current US administration is anti-Isreal...

IMO... the US will continue to back the Isrealis whole-heartedly, including provision of military fire power... as it always has... for exactly the same reasons it always has...

Because it is a destabilising force in the region .... neatly dividing the Muslim arabic countries... and allowing strategic access to the region... and it's vast oil reserves... and access to Eurasia if need should arise...



No God (as in the Old Testaments of both the Bible and Quoran)... blessed the people of the "tribes" and showed them the "promised land"...

The modern state of "Isreal" was not founded on religious precepts or historical tenaments... and is not populated by either "jews" from the region... or even bloodlines related to the "tribes"...

Indeed.. many arabic Islamic communities in the region have much greater, genetically proven, claim to such purity...



Iran is certainly part of the problem... and ultimately .. part of the solution....

The Russians are not... and have not substantially "backed" the Iranians... for over a decade...

And are so pre-occupied with internal obligachs, organised crime syndicates, internal business and state corruption, and divisive regional "nationalist" movements....

That world domination ... just isn't even on the state room table.... let alone possible... or fundable...

Rest easy... there isn't a "red" under every bed any more.... most of them are lucky if they've even got a bed...

The greatest threat to the Middle East region... Asia.... world peace... nuclear conflict... Armegeddon....

Is Parkistan....

Followed equally by the nut cases of the radical "non-christian" Isreali and "non-islamic" Iranian groups... both state and (so-called) religious groups...

And let's not forget... the greatest evil of them all... in terms of "a one world government...currency... and religion.... abolute control." ....

The banks.... the cause of ALL the current world problems... and contorted politics of the last 50 years.... IMHO....

"The greatest threat to the Middle East region... Asia.... world peace... nuclear conflict... Armegeddon....
Is Parkistan...."

Pakistan 1 at this point in time. The US of A 2, because they think they are always RIGHT, 3 China, if they become less obsessed with earning money and 4 religious idiots, for the same reason as the US of A.
Of course I have left out Banks and Multinationals because they only want it on a limited and profitable scale.
This of course is only IMHO

BTW I continually hear that we are falling into recession and that the trade deficit is x, and that we will have to pay back money to someone. Would someone like to explain who exactly we will be owing the money to? If I personally owe money I know who I owe it to, if my government owes money it would be nice to know to whom.

Yes a few beers and basically I am pissed off, so I am taking it out on you

So you have picked up my distrust of Obama.... You obviously trust his agenda. Interesting. Time will tell.......

His voting record as a Senator was extreme left-wing but he came into power on a moderate ticket all the way. So slick. Not called a silver tongue for nothing. Now his policies and placements are are so left wing he is leaving many of the moderates who got his vote uneasy.

Wish I could believe that. Not what I am seeing. Times have changed. Different agenda now. That you and I disagree.... ... is irrelevant. Time will tell ROO about US policy. IMO it already is ...... if awake enough to see it.

Iran is part of the solution.....Hmmmm... You see this happening? Interesting. Show me where Mahmoud Ahmadinejad even allows that any Jew should live. Can you? Seriously.... show me where he is open to a peace settlement with Israel. When Anwar Sadat made peace with Israel he was cut by the Arabs. What happened to him? He was assasinated and he even expected it. So did his wife. Watched an interview with her recently. Ahmadinejad wants to wipe Israel out completely. Would welcome another holocaust. Speaks openly and aggressively about this all the time. Is the only way his al-Mahdi (the Muslim Messiah) will return.... if all Jews wiped out. He is a religious zealot being handled by politicians. Result.... He is fighting an Islamic Jihad and politicians are pontificating. You think that Israel has a right to exist as a nation ROO?


... Russia has no go global agenda? Watch Putin's iron grip on Russia. He is a man hungry for power and world recognition. Gog and Magog in the Scriptures.....Ezekiel 38-39 and in Revelation 20:7-8

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/world ... .html?_r=1

You saying Russia is now a democracy ROO?

Iran no support from Russia?

April 21, 2006 ... Russia backs Iran's nuclear programme.... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 707817.ece
16 Oct 2007... Russia backs Iran nuclear rights....http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7046258.stm

Important question: Who is destabilizing Pakistan?

Pakistan vows all-out fight against Taliban..... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30618973/

+1 cyara or maybe +137!

I agree with your assessment of Obama.

Unfortunately, the political bent of many on this forum is far to the left of me, and don't see how far left Obama is. He has in 100 days spent more than all US presidents combined, and committed to spending far in excess of that (all during an economic downturn), He has forced the nationalization of the banking and auto industry (using the leverage of the banks).

There are many places where we differ, but he has done more damage to the country in 100 days than Jimmy Carter did in 4 years.

I'm sure that I'm not going to make lots of friends by voicing this opinion, but those are the facts.

Then - something that will upset people on this forum - He is working to outlaw organic farming and home food production, and heirloom seeds - (those are food sources that can't be tested and controlled to "ensure a clean food supply")

I'm afraid that unless people start waking up, they will find themselves in the same positions the Germans did in 1938. The tactics are the same; only the names and faces have changed.

-Doug

This is not an "economic downturn" Greendo... it's a complete collapse of the financial systems... which is dragging the entire world (and economies) into depression... and bankruptcy...

The financial areseholes... have skimmed the system for a decade... adding no productive value to transactions...playing a game of virtual monopoly in which they just "top up" the bank when they feel like it.... leaving the system bankrupt... with two choices...

Either it's left to collapse completely... throwing the world .... and REAL people ... into years of depression...

Or it has to be propped up and bailed out.... until the heomaraging can be stopped...

Sadly that means aiding and abetting the very same useless, gutless, greedy bastards that have done nothing to build economic certainty and sustainablitiy for future generations... our kids...

The US has no choice but to either bailout... and if necessary... nationalise the the banks and auto industries.... or let them fail...

Personally... I'd let them fail.... and I'd jail every single one of the CEO, board members, accoutants and lawers who gleefully perpetrated the greatest fraud every committed against humanity... and shareholders...

Obama... and Rudd (here in OZ)... inherited this situation... it is not of their making... or desire...

To attribute blame to them is a complete crock of sh%t.... and IMO... a deliberate disception...

The actions being taken around the world are being done so with the advise of the IMF, bankers, financiers, corporations and economists...

And yep... WE WILL BE THE ONES TO PAY.....

Isn't that the way it's always been...??

And you want to raise the spectre of Germany... after the likes of Bush, Chenay, Rumsfeld etc...

And the trampling of democratic freedoms, individual rights, torture, renditions, abuses of power, abuses of international law and treaties... even the Geneva Convention... which was dubbed to be "open to interpretation"....

You have got to be kidding me.....

Oh... and the bill to "stop organic gardens etc...."

Doesn't do that... read it...

And wasn't introduced by Obama... but by a senator... befoe Obama was even sworn in...

No Cyara... I don't know his "agenda"... haven't seen any "agenda" expoused...

All I've seen is a President dealing with the greatest economic threat to his country (and the world) in it's entire history...

I think, apart from a co-ordinated campaign of dis-information, probably driven by mistrust or hatred of a black president....

That any "agenda" is a pre-disposition of those that expouse it...



What policies and placements.......?? and what is "so left wing" about them???





What exactly are you seeing... other than perhaps that which you "wish to see"...

What has changed.... what agenda....

Smear by insinuation.... without factual arguement...





Absolutely... it can't without incorporating an Iranian solution IMO.... but perhaps not with the nutcase currently in power.... or even with the nutcases currently in power in Isreal...



Bollocks... a complete and deliberate mistruth... Islam, and the Quoran says no such thing...



Yes... and so do the Palestinians...as a soveriegn nation.... after all it was THEIR land that was usurped by a group of Western nations to create the state of "Israel".... just so happened to be the most fertile and productive chunk in the whole region...




I'm sure he is... and that many would like to see Russia return to it's former "glory days as a world super-power...

And I most certainly did not even suggest that Russia was a "democracy".... far from it...

what I actually said was...




"internal obligachs, organised crime syndicates, internal business and state corruption" .... doesn't suggest to me that I'm suggesting that they are a "democracy"....

Anymore than the "internal obligachs, organised crime syndicates, internal business and state corruption" within the corridors of corporate and political power within western nations over the last decade.... suggests that they were pre-occupied with "democracy" either...



So what... Russia says it supports Irans right to nuclear facilities... and/or even the right to nuclear weaponary development... missle developement etc...

SO DO I.... what a bunch of complete hippocrites we are... to maintain that right for ourselves and our own agendas...

And whinge like like miffed little girls if another sovereign nation decides to go down the same path that we felt was our "inalienable right"....

Bollocks...

And where was all the moral outrage and indignation ... when the Israelis developed their nuclear weaponary???

And that's the extent of Russia's support??.... yep... anything else has been solidly and repeativly REJECTED by the Iranians for a decade...



The Pakistani governement, military and secret services have been actively fostering, aiding, abetting... or turning a blind eye to the Taliban... for decades...

The fact that they may now be giving some "lip service" to combatting the Taliban...

Comes partly from a realization that their own power base are now under threat from within Pakistan...

And that military and humanitarian aid from the US and other countries worldwide... will cease unless they are at least "seen" to be doing something...

Wish I could really say what I think ,, but I will moderate my comments.

Why is there so much focus and Obama ..... he seems to be doing a reasonable job in a very difficult position. So much focus on one individual , a leader of a SMALL part of the world. I always heard American sneezes the world gets the Flu ..... well wake up the world is not that way any more. The latest world recession was the last straw ,, it was caused by American greed and sold off to other countries before being announced. Some may say ,, smart moove,,,agreed ,,,but the cost in terms of trust cannot be replaced.
Remember a lot of those debts where sold off to Allies ,,Actually Great Britian got the worst of it.

I am in almost total agreement with American foreign policy ..... as if my opinion counts ..
Iraq , Iran , north korea and now Pakistan . These situations need to be controlled ..... now i ask WHY does the world leave that onus upon the USA???. A free world has a price , who is taking a free ride???? i point my finger at number of countries but especially the French
It's time fore arrogant America to realise they don;t rule the world and aslo time other countries took responsibily and the cost involved for true freedom

Amen

A very pertinent point Chappo....

The reaction to his election has provoked a rabid, determined and co-ordinated smear and dis-information campaign since befor ehis election... IMO...

And IMO is driven by the radical right, rabid evangelists, racists, and general xenophobes...

Being "black"... having a suggestion that he may have "been" raised "Muslim"... and being to the left of the noe-nazis/neo-cons of the past administration...

Is just way too much for some people to contemplate... that he might actually be a competent, educated, intelligent and perhaps even morally just individual and leader...

To the point sadly... where I believe he may well be assassinated before the end of his first term...

I am racist ,, I am also Sexist ..... but that does not blind me to a person doing a good job in an exceptionally difficult situation.

My admission to Racism and Sexism is only when measured by popular theory of what that constitutes( rather , what constitutes that)..... those measures are innacurate , twisted and unrealistic.All men are born equal ,, but some are more equal than others

Well, IMO this shouldn't be about politics. #1 The American public may "think" they are the ones who elect our officials but if you are honest with yourselves you will realize this isn't the truth. The "Parties" are the ones who decide who has the most charisma and the best ability to be popular enough to garner the american peoples mass media feeding attention.

Mass Media are Corporations. Those Corporations are out to make what? MONEY. The largest ones are owned by Multi-Millionaires. They show on television what their bosses say it's ok for them to show. Why do you think FOX was so "Pro-Macain" and MSNBC was so "Pro-Obama"? Money. It didn't have ANYTHING to do with showing/telling the American people the TRUTH. I think alot of people could do themselves a huge favor by turning OFF the BOOB tube.

Our Government is influenced more by Corporations, Bankers & Wall Street than they are by The People, whom they were sworn to protect. Until Government begins focusing again on the well-being of the American People I will not trust them. Period. They take away our rights "for our protection" and we, as a people, are stupid enough to let them and then complain when we realize "it's not what we thought it would be."

I can guarantee you at least one and possibly two of the major banks that were bailed out because they were "too big to fail" are going to do exactly that. And where is the money that we "gave" them? No one knows. It was "given" without any strings attached or any demand for them to tell us what they were doing with it. Everyone got all up in arms over the CEO bonuses but failed to realize that with AIG a large portion of that money went straight out of our country. BILLIONS went to foreign bankers and companies and we didn't blink an eye.

Now, I'm not a religious person. I personally don't think the bible should be taken as literally as most people seem to take it. So I'm not going to view what is happening as "biblical prophecy". I DO however view it this way. There is a very rich and powerful contingent of people in our world who see the bible as a way to manipulate the masses. If you do any research into the history of "Christianity" you will see that they took pagan holidays, symbols, etc and incorporated them into their version of religion. Some people say this was done to make it easier for Pagan's to accept Christianity. I say it was to show their "defeat" of pagan religions. During the "Inquisition" anyone who even wanted to debate religion was seen as a heritic and was either hanged, burned or imprisioned. IMO Religion is being used by the powers that be to control/manipulate the masses and people need to open their eyes and learn to question the way things are being done.

Having said that, IMO the best thing people can do right now is turn off the TV. Stock up water, food, fuel, etc and become LESS dependant upon the "system". This economic depression is not over. They say things are improving but unemployment continues to rise. Companies continue to downsize or go out of business. What do you think is going to happen with all the commercial properties out there that these companies are "abandoning"? Banks aren't lending so these buildings are going to sit empty. The people who "own" them won't be able to make the payments. This is going to lead to the next step in the depression.

Now, keep in mind, this is all my PERSONAL opinion and may not come to pass. However, I can't help but look at the things that are happening and wonder. I'd rather have some food stocked and water stocked and be on my way to self-sufficiency then caught with nothing.

A voice of sanity... well put cnichols...

Amazing how small the world is http://www.newenglandancestors.org/pdfs/obama_bush.pdf