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And therein lies the crux of our current financial situation.... economies... and even companies... are no longer valed against physical assets ... or the value of production...

Even the banking system abolished the real value "productive" wealth of gold....

The global financial system is no more than a game of monopoly....

The problem is... sooner or later... nobody knows the "real" worth of all the paper debts, promisory notes.. and paperless transactions...

When the crisis/meltdown happens... the banking system demands "real assets"... real "currency"... and real productive value....

And that my friends is expected from our sweat... and our back pockets...

Problem is though... sometimes they drive the system past the point where "we" can be physically employed....

And that's exactly what the blood sucking useless farkin usurers have done.....

I might have a stroke... Rupe and I agree on something outside of AP

I always knew you were an alright bloke Tamo...

Money itself is not the problem here , it is merely a way to make the barter system easier.
CREDIT is the problem ,, gee as if we haven't been warned ,, even in the bible " neither a borrower nor a lender be".

Guys ,, could you please hang off destroying the banking system , I expect several million dollars worth of Bank shares as part of my inheritance:)

Can we do without Bankers/Banks?
They'll always make a "Come Back!
Here are some Quotes To Make You Think!


Investment bankers by virtue of their privileged position at the spigots of credit have over the years garnered for themselves a disproportionate slice of the world's wealth. The best description of their wealth is from a banker himself, Sir Josiah Stamp, at the time in1927 the 2nd richest man in England and former head of The Bank of England:

Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money.

The fact that in 2008 bankers became victims in the game they created has profound implications for capitalism itself. Capitalism, which began in 1694 with the issuance of debt-based money from The Bank of England, has now over three hundred years later reached its last and final stage.

I do not think it has reached its final stage......it'll continue........there is nothing to replace it.
Not yet anyhow.

Thx for the banking lesson. We are screwed aren't we?

Anyone heard of or what do you think of 'script?' It's like a local community that can be exchanged for services. Sort of like bartering I guess. Heard of it somewhere on the east coast of the u.s. (insert currency between community and that)

A couple of articles about Monsanto and GE crops...

http://www.truefood.org.au/newsandevents/?news=41
http://www.truefood.org.au/newsandevents/?news=45

In the 1920/1930 new varieties of rice were ‘supposed ‘ to produce enough food to fed the growing world population.
In the past few decades GM crops/seeds are ‘supposed’ to achieve the same. Yet - there are food shortages again.
Why?
As there is more food available the population increases and then…… there are more food shortages.
GM seeds/crops earn lots of $$$$$$$$$ for the company/companies producing them.
And we/the consumer have to pay…..eventually.
IMO……seeds (e.g. GM) can be manipulated to a certain extent… just like viruses – antibiotics.
Then the time will come when seeds/nature take their own course……..

Over the past year, I have noticed an uptick of people joining this forum and I thought, uh-huh, economy. We bought a shotgun as we have rattlesnakes here and the gun guy is a friend of ours- his business is booming and he can't keep inventory in stock- not bullets or some types of guns- they are all on back order and I thought, uh-huh, economy. Now, this article on survivialist suburbanits, guess why- economy. The government keeps saying the worst is over, the people keep gearing up for worse times, who do you believe????

Crisis spurs spike in 'suburban survivalists'
Emergency supply retailers and military surplus stores nationwide have seen business boom in the past few months as an increasing number of Americans spooked by the economy rush to stock up on gear that was once the domain of hardcore survivalists.
These people snapping up everything from water purification tablets to thermal blankets shatter the survivalist stereotype: they are mostly urban professionals with mortgages, SUVs, solid jobs and a twinge of embarrassment about their newfound hobby.
From teachers to real estate agents, these budding emergency gurus say the dismal economy has made them prepare for financial collapse as if it were an oncoming Category 5 hurricane. They worry about rampant inflation, runs on banks, bare grocery shelves and widespread power failures that could make taps run dry.
For Wiseman, a fire protection contractor, that's meant spending roughly $20,000 since September on survival gear - and trying to persuade others to do the same.
"The UPS guy drops things off and he sees my 4-by-8-by-6-foot pile of food and I say 'What are you doing to prepare, buddy?'" he said. "Because there won't be a thing left on any shelf of any supermarket in the country if people's confidence wavers."

The biggest concern for us is hyperinflation where a dollar is worth less than the paper it's printed on. The likelyhood of that is very real as China holds most of our national debt. If they call in their notes, there goes the neighborhood. Commerce will stagnate overnight as no one will be able to buy goods, if there is not a run on goods first and the shelves left empty.

Sorry, for those who want to read the whole article.
http://home.peoplepc.com/psp/newsstory. ... 2561178796

This could be an opportunity or a wake up call for those of us with commercial aspirations. A lot of southern catfish farms have also either emptied their ponds or are turning to growing algae.

Fish Farm Empties Its Ponds to Grow Algae for Biofuels
April 17, 2009
Carlberg cites a number of operational expenses that eventually made staying afloat farming fish impossible. Feed costs doubled, he says. Airfreight to the East Coast tripled; seafood imports flooded the market; energy and water costs soared. All the while fish prices remained level.
“There was no profit margin,” says Carlberg, who has collaborated on several Sea Grant aquaculture research projects over the years, the most recent of which sought to develop a vaccine for the problematic fish disease Streptococcus iniae. “It was that simple and it was nothing unique to us, or to California, or to anywhere in the developed world.”
The last two years of the company’s existence as Kent SeaTech, the farm tried selling tilapia live to local Asian markets. When this failed to turn the bottom line – the live market wasn’t large enough – the company turned to algae.
http://www-csgc.ucsd.edu/NEWSROOM/NEWSR ... fuels.html

I find it disturbing... and counter-productive... that there seems to be such an alarming trend to change from food production crops... to crops for bio-fuel....

To continue to fuel the same old obsession with oil based combustible engines...

It might seem reasonable for farmers to do so... but the reason that often forces the change... is rising fuel and transport cost... somewhat paradoxical...

I really just don't understand why we continue to push for directions in fuel automotive engines...

Especially when Tesla has been producing a screaming hot true sportscar for many years now... and has just released their family sedan....

Both capable of 250 miles per battery charge....

And the battery is made of? and is cleanly dispose by?
The battery is charged from electricity produced by?

I really believe hydrogen is the answer , we simply don't have the technology to do it properly yest.

Yep, I know the arguments Chappo... I'd just like to break the petro-chem hold on our lives... and thought processes...

Cars.. and plastic containers... food miles.... these are things that I.. and others ... can do...

With... I believe... a better, more sustainable carbon footprint...

Yep ,we gotta start somewhere.
For me food miles , home grown food , ala AP and some quail is my target for now.
A couple of chickens also ,
That and reducing my elec tric usage are my little contribution.