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Well my shrimp breeding is temperarlily put on hold. I found a bunch of baby fantail goldfish in one of the ponds today, so i put them in the tank with the shrimp to stop the adult fantails eating them. I wanted to bring them inside but all my tanks are full with guppy fry atm, and the angels eggs are due to hatch tomorrow.....I NEED MORE TANKS!

anyways does anyone know if its normal for fantail goldfish babies to be silver rather than gold. Im thinking they will prob colour up after a month or so (like my babie guppies), i was just wondering

Daniel, my angels spawn at the drop of a hat in the community aquarium, but they usually get that freaked by the other fish that they eat the eggs on about day 4. I'm thinking of moving the pair to a seperate aquarium sitting fallow, do you have any tips or tricks for me?

Steve

it is best to separate the breeding pair, as the parent will have a hard time to guard their fry once the fry can start to swim in a community tank.

this is what i use to do if my discus were to eat their own eggs by putting a netting over the eggs.

for discus normally we let them lay eggs on breeding cone or ceramic tiles

easyihzy pretty much answered the question

But i have 2 pairs (both spawn at the same time) in a 4 footer aquarium seperated by some egg crate (light diffuser). Before i put in the divider they were eating their eggs, so this will hopefully be my first lot of fry. (im hoping they will parent raise)

So a physical barrier seems to make them feel more secure

And steve, if you want to keep most of the drop, you will prob need two tanks, one for the parents and another for the fry when they need to be moved. Apparently angels can lay up to 1000 eggs per spawn!!!

serious? mine have only every layed 50 to 80.

should i keep the breeding tank bare or is gravel ok. Sometimes i think some of the breeders can get a little overkill.

most of the pro. discus breeders over here in m'sia use bare bottom tank both for breeding and growing. take a look at some of the photos here. this guys breed discus and some angels for export.

http://www.yihzy.com/cgal/thumbnails-35.html

they have no filter in the tank but change tank water every day

WOW!

If thats the best way to do it then so be it. I guess i could always dump the water into my 1000Lt aqua system.................

Are the doing like 50% change outs daily?

You'd have to match the change in water PH, GH, KH fairly well not to stress the fish with such frequent change outs, wouldn't you?

actually over here, the water is very suitable for discus breeding, we usually just add anti clorine to the water that's all, even the temperature is stable at around 27-30C. some do age the incoming water in giant water tanks, while the rest just release the water direct from the incoming pipe.

water change should be more than 50% for the breeders, there are even some who do water change 3 times per day after every meal. you could say the w/c schedule is a bit overkill , but the growth of the fries is tremendous with this type of w/c method. meaning they can market their fish faster.

the bare bottom tank makes maintenance easier, to suck out the shit and left over food. normal tank size is around 3feet x 3 feet x 2 feet (height)

Wouldn't a good efficient filter be better than replacing/wasting so much water every day? Why is it so effective?

super fast growth rate that's why ! hehe and this type of fish demand clean water to thrive

+ i think small fry and eggs are VERY susceptible to fungal infection.

I'm actually contemplating putting a couple of discus into my community tank, what do you think? I have 2 angels (pair) two clown loaches, two electric yellows (probably the most timid of all inhabitants) a bristle nose, two rummy nose tetras, two algae eaters, and a lace gourami (which i don't mind relocating).

PS : really sorry for the thread hi-jack Daniel

when the discus / angels start laying eggs in their breeding tank, start dosing methlyne blue (not sure about spelling) to prevent fungus growth. it will make the water blue but won't cause damage to the fish. Methlyne blue will not improve the situation if there's already fungal growth on the eggs. If you have attentive discus parents, they'll peck away those eggs which are not fertilized or having fungus and continuously fan the eggs.

Although angels can coexists with discus peacefully, but i've read somewhere on the internet that, angels might carried some type of parasite which are not harmful to themselve but the parasite can infect the discus. how to true is that statement, i'm not sure but I won't want to use my precious to try.

p/s sorry to be thread robbing

Lol, don't worry about the hijack, its helpful info

When you say "start dosing methlyne blue" is that the tanks that don't have bio filters, just regular water changes? OR does meth blue just inhibit fungi and not bacteria?

normally for me, i were to breed my discus i would do it in a breeding tank, there's just a simple sponge filter in the tank. and the days after the eggs i layed, i would dose the tank with methalyne blue, i think MB just inhibit fungus growth on the eggs. maybe that are some other purpose for it which i do not know.

would not change water again until the eggs hatched. after the eggs hatched, then gradual water change every day. after about 1 ,2 weeks after the fries can start feeding on the baby brne shrimp, i'll separate fries from parents. from what i know, it's also best to treat the adult fish for gill flukes before breeding as flukes are relatively harmless to the adult but deadly for the fries.

cheers, i just wanted to make sure it doesn't kill off the bacteria in the biofilter before i went out to get some

Oh and lovely discus