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PostPosted: Apr 2nd, '09, 21:09 
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They're very tough trees- amazingly green in very harsh environments!

Yes I agree.

This might interest you Adam....
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According to one estimate, a total of approximately1.2 billion hectares of land in the world is degraded, barren or marginal and its proportion is increasing every year. Mulberry is an ideal tree species for economic management of unutilised wasteland (under rainfed conditions) for the following reasons:
• It is tap rooted with minimum superficial roots
• It has good coppicing power and is tolerant to lopping and pruning. Pruning and training of mulberry enhances the size and quality of leaves.
• It has easy generation capacity through seeds and vegetative means.
• It is a multipurpose tree which yields fodder, fibre, fruit, wood etc. The leaves are highly palatable and nutritious for livestock, and these are used extensively for silk production.
• Many varieties of mulberry are available which can grow in varied agro-climatic conditions in both temperate and tropical areas.
Mulberry has a potential to play a valuable role in world agriculture. It is an extremely versatile plant which can fulfil a number of roles in smallholder agricultural production. Its value is multifaceted and the potential for increasing and diversifying its use is enormous. However, its value and benefits as high quality supplements to low quality roughages in ruminant feeding sys-tems have neither been widely known nor fully exploited. There is a wide genetic diversity in this species. It is a species of wide-ranging soil and climatic adaptation - a large number of pro-vanances are available which grow under different soil and climatic conditions. Systematic stud-ies are warranted to: evaluate these provenances in order to know the superior genotypes, collect and maintain germplasm, and conduct agronomy and management studies (e.g. environmental adaptation; establishment and propagation; defoliation management of tree; planting density, cutting intervals and cutting heights in intensive forage production systems; seed production) in different agroforestry systems (e.g. agrisilviculture, agrisilvi-horticulture, silvipasture, energy plantation, boundary plantation, alley cropping and perennial cropping). This will improve bio-mass production with high nutrients for livestock feeding and extend ecological range of the plant. The future role and value of mulberry will depend on the outcome of these programmes
The whole .pdf is worth a read...
http://www.iaea.org/nafa/d3/public/mulb ... lpaper.pdf


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AaronJ wrote:
Another +++ for the Mulberry tree from me.

My folks have one at their place in the outer northern suburns of Melb and it grows great. Would be about 3-4m tall now and has huge amounts of fruit with no additional watering.

The chooks love the berries too.

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And some folks use the leaves for them too...
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Some producers use mangles, kale and even tree forage, such as mulberry or persimmon, as poultry feed.
http://www.thepoultrysite.com/articles/94/feeding-chickens-for-best-health-and-performance

Pretty good stuff.... :D And so easy to grow.


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They also respond well to being torn apart by kids and then bitten in half by dog. Ours was reduced to barely more than a short stick when we planted it in early Feb and is now about 2m.


Is that what they call "hard pruning"?

Probably, I'll lend you the dog. She also trims hoses.


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Chelle, I read here. that the folage and unripe berries may be poisonous? http://gurneys.com/product.asp?pn=08578
You still talked me into it even though I loved my blackberrys thorns & all. I like the little to no work part of mulberries. I can see I'm going to have to some way of harvesting when the tree gets big!


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Can't say about the unripe fruit BRB... could be.... I never eat them unripe. I do know that the foliage is not poisonous. I am living proof of that and it is increasingly used as medicine for Type 2 diabetes and many other things. I can post some info on this if it interests you. Has me very interested as to all kinds of possibilities.


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Please do, the leaf part is what really caught my interst. thanks.


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Mulberry leaves, meanwhile, are rich in the bioflavinoid rutin, which is good for capillaries and blood vessels. The plant first appears in a Chinese medical text called Pen Tsao Kang Mu, or "The Great Herbal," which was compiled by Li Shih-chen in 1578. It describes the mulberry leaf as tasting sweet yet bitter and having a cold nature......

..... Japanese and Chinese people used to believe that mulberry leaves were a medicine that could lead to immortality. Today, experts still study the medicinal attributes of the plant. As recently as the 1990s, a Japanese study concluded that the mulberry leaf was anticarcinogenic. Another study determined that the leaf was as effective as ginseng in slowing aging. It has been reported that it can do such things as stabilize the nervous system, relieve emotional strain and reduce harmful elements accumulated in the skin and organs.
From... http://taiwanauj.nat.gov.tw/ct.asp?xIte ... CtNode=122

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Mulberry leaf is commonly used for sericulture in almost every part of the world but its potential to be utilized for human consumption is not well recognized. This paper deals with development of mulberry leaf powder and its use with wheat flour to develop paratha, the most common food item of breakfast and dinner in the Indian diet. The optimum ratio of the mulberry leaf powder and wheat flour (MLP-WF) mix for preparation of paratha on the basis of sensory quality was found to be 1:4. The protein quality of the MLP-WF mix was estimated by measuring the Protein Efficiency Ratio, and was found to be 1.82 against a casein diet for which a value of 2.44 was observed. The in vivo toxic effect of mix was studied and no adverse effect on the growth of internal organs of rats (heart, liver, kidney and testes) was found. The storage stability of the mix was estimated for a period of 2 months in polyethylene bags at room temperature. A non-significant difference was observed between paratha prepared from fresh and stored mix. This indicated that mix can be stored for a period of 2 months at room temperature without loss of quality.
From....http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/conten ... 717~db=all

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Mulberry Leaf Juice
Mulberry trees have edible and nutritious leaves - as silkworms can attest.
However these leaves have a rather high proportion of fibre, which gets stuck between your teeth, and is rapidly satiating.
This effects limit consumption - and can easily result in not consuming enough mulberry leaves - if you are not careful.
One approach to this issue is mulberry leaf juice.
http://mulberrytrees.co.uk/leaf_juice/
I prefer it liquidised and added to a fruit porridge I make.

I have tons more on file... will add some more... late here now and I am up early tomorrow. Hope this is of interest so long. :D


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I have to second that: I've eaten the green tender shoots/leaves straight off the trees ever since I read about it in "Stalking the Wild Asparagus" 35 years back. Never managed to get them as far as the salad bowl. Taste a lot like parsley.

Supposedly the white mulberries are less staining, but the black (Persian?) and some N American cultivars (like "Illinois") have better flavor. I used to spend hours perched in a random tree, competing with the birds, when I found one with good fruit.


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PostPosted: Apr 5th, '09, 08:12 
Seriously, this cant be healthy.
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I am glad I have both
the white is the smaller of the 2
The black mullberry produces obscene
amounts of berries.
But I have never considered eating the leaves


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So how bout some info on propagating the trees! Does it root well from cuttings?

There is a mulberry tree growing hear the corner of my currently vacant lot. It is pretty spindly due to lots of competition from other vegetation and I think another tree falling on it some years back. It is of the dark purple berry variety. Anyway, I'd been planning on cultivating it mainly for the berries since I have fond memories of them from childhood. Now I'm thinking I would also like to take some cuttings and grow more since it sounds like it has more uses than just berries.

How fast does it grow?
Would it make a good hedge?
I haven't noticed if it stays evergreen here or if it looses it's leaves during winter.


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Here ya go TC...

http://www.ask.com/bar?q=MULBERRY&page= ... berry.html

lots of info...


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A relatively easy pick mulberry, weeping (still need to stand on something for the ones near the top) :)


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PostPosted: Apr 5th, '09, 13:02 
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I gave some cuttings to a friend and they all took.
Now they bear fruit a couple years later...
I thought that was pretty good :flower:


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TCLynx wrote:
So how bout some info on propagating the trees! Does it root well from cuttings?

There is a mulberry tree growing hear the corner of my currently vacant lot. It is pretty spindly due to lots of competition from other vegetation and I think another tree falling on it some years back. It is of the dark purple berry variety. Anyway, I'd been planning on cultivating it mainly for the berries since I have fond memories of them from childhood. Now I'm thinking I would also like to take some cuttings and grow more since it sounds like it has more uses than just berries.

How fast does it grow?
Would it make a good hedge?
I haven't noticed if it stays evergreen here or if it looses it's leaves during winter.


Typically does not do well from cuttings, but if your tree is really that superior you could try air layering or mound layering: air layering worked for me with an apple tree. Happy to go over tips.....

Fast grower as long as it has good fertility and moisture. Speed depends on cultivar.

I'm sure you could grow it as a hedge, but the cost of all your separate plants might be high.

Deciduous: bare in winter everywhere I've seen it.


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I gave some cuttings to a friend and they all took.
Now they bear fruit a couple years later...
I thought that was pretty good :flower:


Hmph. I stand corrected.

But some cultivars must not root well or they would not bother grafting as Raintree Nursery did for my Wellington cultivar.

So, if some root well, would this be a good thing to try rooting in an AP bed before setting out into soil?


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