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PostPosted: Mar 13th, '09, 10:49 
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Jessy,
What area does your system occupy ?



Approx.....5 metres by 10 maybe....max anyway


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PostPosted: Mar 13th, '09, 12:06 
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I built my first system and then kept adding to it. Started with blue drums and ended up with large gb's.


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PostPosted: Mar 13th, '09, 14:34 
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Nice system DL :)

Questions:-
1) Wilson Lennard (PhD) recommends using river gravel... any comments?
2) Has the thesaurous been done on the abbreviations... yet ?

Susan


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PostPosted: Mar 13th, '09, 14:43 
Gravel is fine, cheap and readily AM.... expanded clay does the job just as well.. but isn't as cheap.... but sooooo easy to work with....


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PostPosted: Mar 13th, '09, 14:48 
Seriously, this cant be healthy.
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PostPosted: Mar 13th, '09, 17:21 
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Hi Susan, not much help but my first system cost $150 and a carton of beer, the CTN paid for a 2500lt tank, and the rest was for pump and fittings all other was made from stuff lying around, my new system is bought and scabbed but will end up with about 6000lt of system
I tried floating GB's but not much success.
Start small and you will want bigger, start big and you will want bigger so start as big as the budget or scrounging will allow, and space of course :roll:


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PostPosted: Mar 13th, '09, 19:02 
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Thanks Rupe, C1 and Nocky... everyoe is soo helpful :D
Nocky, love the ideas of the ecco friendly set up ....and those Blue Marron are unreal, thank you for sharing :) I can't wait and yes it would appear you very right it is not going to matter what size I start with I will want bigger and bigger and Ohhh the thought of it. :shock:
For those of you who think I spent the whole on here .. nah nah nah ... I did actually find the time to ring the local council ( wish I hadn't :cry: ) to see if I needed a building permit for a shade/ hot house for this set up. ya know what ... council in Vic no longer handles them I have to get a building supervisor in to decide the issue .. so no matter what it is going to cost me money .. why did I bother? Cos I have the neighbour from Hell living next door to me.. Ohh well way of life i guess.
Starting to think I have encountered my Waterloo ... this is getting bigger than Ben Hur ! :roll:
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PostPosted: Mar 13th, '09, 19:11 
Seriously, this cant be healthy.
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have fun and eat well I say :flower:
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PostPosted: Mar 14th, '09, 05:31 
Seriously, this cant be healthy.
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AbbysMum wrote:
Kuda, were you waiting on line for my post ?? hehe.

No, just the first post I saw when I came on that night. It was looking so lonely all by itself ;-)

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1) A balcony set up which receives shade could be useful for growing veggies/ fruit which prefer a more shaded position in the future. So it may not be a waste, but eventually we would like to have a BIG back yard set up.

It wont be a waste, but make sure you design it in such a way that it can either be incorporated into your bigger system, or stay small as a quarantine system.

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2) My wonderful husband is more hands on than read/ look and understand a set of diagrams from a magazine or DVD .. yep have purchased both from Joel.

Yup, know how he feels, excepting I tend to plan too big. :-( 2 years and still completing my system.

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Maybe a suggestion is a working Bee... where :newb: like us, could help build someone else’s system and learn ... Those who install systems ... could capitalise on offered hands and those who take part would benefit from the experience.. win win situation I think :)

Hey I will need some gravel washed and plumbing done soon, I'll trade you hour for hour, it's hard work on your own, but easier when there's other ppl around. I'm not far either.

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The point is well noted on “wet feet” for plants, however, in the commercial systems and in hydroponics they seem to thrive. How is this achieved? Where is the biofilters in these systems?

Hydro has only nutrients they need, and is a delicate chemical balance keeping it all cool. Most commercial AP systems are not recirculating, but just run to drain.
It's only a problem if there is not enough oxygen in the roots.

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Hi Jamie,
Looks are only superficial in all walks of life, IMHO. I honestly want to be able to fully understand the system and have it working properly. I read so much on here of the trials and tribulations others have .. and know I do not want that.


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PostPosted: Mar 14th, '09, 05:51 
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there is a group of radical permaculturists near here who get together and have "permie blitz's" on eachothers places..

they spend the day working, eating and a few bevies at the end of the day..

lots of work completed.. good social event and great community building..

could be a good workable idea for byapers......


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PostPosted: Mar 14th, '09, 05:59 
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Lost ...
The same when I was living in Albury and belonged to the Permaculture group there.. just not sure about being described as a radical permaculturist, is it a compliment.? Lots dows get completed for the person who holds the event and lots of knowledge is traded off also. As to food... it was BYO unless the person holding it decided otherwise.

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PostPosted: Mar 14th, '09, 06:04 
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all permies are good...

no harm intended :D

i also have a militant vegan friend who would near beat you up if you served her food that had touched an animal product.......


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PostPosted: Mar 14th, '09, 09:05 
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i also have a militant vegan friend who would near beat you up if you served her food that had touched an animal product.......

When I was at uni, I had a girlfriend who was a strict vegetarian... and an absolutely great cook... had no problems exisitng on a vegetarian diet... for the most part...

But I needed a red meat fix every now and then...

Deal was that once a month I'd go down the local steak house and have the biggest thickest steak I could get....

Other part of the deal was she wouldn't let me in her house for about 3-4 days until everything had passed....

Given that there was 3-4 days when she basically wanted to kill me anyway... it was pretty easy to live within the rules.... and I had some great weekend binges with the boys... :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Mar 14th, '09, 09:08 
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Lateral thinking... win win for everyone :cheers:


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PostPosted: Mar 14th, '09, 09:40 
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Hi and welcome.

You are lucky over there as buying a BYAP turnkey system is an option there. Over here all the turnkey AP systems are those floating raft beds where you can only grow leafy greens as they don't really support much in the way of fruiting veggies. Actually, the sellers are all surprised that I can grow tomatoes in AP and I have to explain that I use flood and drain media beds to manage it.

Anyway, my guess by the way you explain your situation is go for a turnkey system as your first smaller system. That way you can get started with AP and the other half can learn about it hands on with the turn key system and from there you can decide what way you want to go for the really big system! I don't know what size the turnkey systems are but I expect that something with 500 l of fish tank and 500 l of grow bed would make a pretty nice fingerling quarantine system once you have the big system online. Actually, personally I would go for the CHIFT PIST system that had 500 l of fish tank feeding to 1000 l of grow beds that drain to 500 l of sump and there is a really robust . quarantine system for you. :cheers:


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