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molj

hello!

has any of you encoutered this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh_-DUKQ ... re=related

i mean this kind off source off energy would help a lot, has anyone played with these sorts of things here?

thank you!

badflash

Over Unity devices are total bunk. Don't be fooled. Their claims are not scientifically verified.

DanDMan

We built a similar device, but it was a sooth version based on the original design from decades ago. At best it might be as efficient as a heat pump (which is over 3 times more efficient than shorting nickel chromium wire out to make heat, but is does not produce more energy in the form of heat than the amount of energy you apply to it; its not FUELLESS, it is not free.

This "water hammer" version is better than the version we made and can produce high heat levels easily; ours was a oil friction device. Its the same effect as when you compress air real fast, It gives up heat so it can compress. Water has that same effect, but has a much greater heat storage ability.

Water cutters were invented just down the road from here at Letourneau. They compress water to very high pressures and one thing I noticed is that they have a lot of heat sinking to keep it cool. Now, a heat pump compresses a methane related gas which has a low boiling point and can reabsorb heat from the environment. In this case the water is being used as a dump to waste refrigerant.

DanDMan

Oh! forgot to mention. In the case of air compression something like 80 or 90% of all energy applied to it is "wasted" or converted into heat. Thats why air compression is so inefficient. However, thats a pretty darn efficient heater (not taking the efficiency of the motor into account).

Now, if you want heat energy that is greater than what you put in you need to check out this: http://jlnlabs.online.fr/mahg/tests/mahg2c.htm

There is an unexplained source of energy that appears when you heat hydrogen enough to break it apart; its normally diatomic. When the hydrogen recombines it releases more heat than was used to break it apart. There is no real explanation for this effect. It emits detectable amounts of radiation, but is safe. This technology is nearly 70 years old, and is not likely to be patentable.

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Atomic Hydrogen Generator is based on a discovery by Irving Langmuir (1881-1957 b. Brooklyn, N.Y).

Irving Langmuir won the Nobel Prize for Chemistry in 1932. His work on filaments in gases led to the discovery of the vacuum tube, gas-filled incandescent light bulbs (the life of tungsten-filament light bulbs would be lengthened by filling the vacuum with inert gas such as Argon), atomic hydrogen, and the atomic hydrogen welding process.

Langmuir's doctoral thesis in 1906 at the University of Gottingen in Germany was entitled "On the Partial Recombination of Dissociated Gases During Cooling". In 1926, he invented the atomic hydrogen blowpipe in which hydrogen gas is sent through a small hole through by means of an electric arc formed by two tungsten rods, reaching temperatures of 3700 degrees Kelvin (K).

Hydrogen (H2) yields two ("monatomic") atoms of hydrogen, absorbing 422 kilojoules in the process. The atoms of hydrogen then quickly recombine into the more stable molecular form giving off extreme heat. The hydrogen is therefore thought to be a transport mechanism to extract energy from the arc plasma and to transfer it to a work surface.

Langmuir showed in 1912 that hydrogen at low pressure in contact with a tungsten wire heated by an electric current is dissociated into atoms and is accompanied by a large absorption of heat (100kcal per gram molecule). He used electric currents of 20 amperes and voltages from 300 to 800 volts.

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The Atomic Hydrogen Process, 1996 (Wm. Lyne, Creatopia Productions) indicated that the heat produced (109 kcal/gram mole) was 1058 times as great as the heat required to dissociate diatomic hydrogen (103 cal/gram mole as stated in the Norton Encyclopedia of Science, 1976, 5th Ed).

TCLynx

If it was truly and device that could produce that much over unity..... Well they would already have a bunch of them hooked up such that they could drive their own motors and still be producing excess heat or electricity to put back into the grid.

For years there was a web site where you could pay in to have devices installed on your property and supposedly you would get free electricity for life and the company would sell the rest of the excess electricity back to the electric companies. They were just waiting for some undisclosed event before they could actually make the things work so they couldn't tell you when you would start collecting your free electricity but of course it would be right around the corner.

I suspect this "more energy out than in" means that they are getting more heat from using this device with this particular amount of electricity that they could get using any other device to heat the water.

molj

i'm not claiming or disputing, but i've to try it for myself.....and since "sience" is supported by oil etc. companies i don't really believe them much anymore, there is a time and place for sience, compassion and reason to work toghether me thinks:)

DanDMan

The water hammer heater does work. Fire stations and government offices have been installing them and they are for sale. Its not money collection scam. Its simply compressing water. You have a device in your home right now that moves 300% in heat vs the energy input. Its your fridge. Thats does not mean that its free energy. The % is the confusing thing. 300% of what? Well if I have a device that is 10% efficient, but I improve that process my 300% I now have a device that is 30% efficient, not a device that produces 200% more than it takes to run it. So many scam artist and well meaning but stupid people have abused the whole % thing.

molj

dan: have u tested the thing?
me and my brother did a quick test with a car battery and two stainless cathods and it worked suprisingly, didn't gave up much bubbles ofcourse but it worked. not that that's much of a proof, but i believe based on my life's philosophy that you don't need much if you learn to do it right.

i'm planning to test the water hammer this summer and i will, thanks for the kinda thumbs up dan:)

molj

that's all i'm saying, there are better ways then fire and electric heaters
am really interested in ur experiences guys and girls, please do tell me more!

DanDMan

molj wrote:

dan: have u tested the thing?
me and my brother did a quick test with a car battery and two stainless cathodes and it worked surprisingly,

The atomic hydrogen has nothing to do with electrolysis.

I have yet to build a water hammer device. I got into AP and have not had the money since to go back to build my own water hammer device. I have seen them working in person and they defiantly heat water cheaper than gas or electric heaters, but I suspect its about the same as the newer heat pump water heaters (no test to prove this).

My ap system will be complete soon; I hope. So I will have to get back to some of these test some day. Well, after my fuel still is made. I envision a high pressure water pump with a long pipe where a solenoid starts and stops the flow of water real fast. The machined spinning wheel is really a bit hard for me to make so I think I might try making water a hammer without it.

Sleepe

Dan

Here's one for you, I cant follow the theory "free electricity". http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/ ... Gpaper.pdf

I am not a believer in over unity devices, however until science can explain certain phenomena there is a likelyhood that part of certain reactions derive 'energy' from little understood processes and reactions.

molj

dan: i wasn't implying that, was just giving u my "experience" in "free energy" :lol:

i have the means to manufacture a water hammer, since we have a workshop at home, that's why it's not such an investment, besides the material that i need to get, was thinking on using Al for the cylinder with an outer diameter ~300mm, 100mm wide and a fly-wheel-like desing, lighter in the center, heavier on the perimeter.
although the new heat pumps would help me in the summer too, i am reluctant to pay 2-5kEuros for just playing:)

and the video i watched states that the output of energy is 70% higher then the input

now with the hydrogen, as far as i read the thing you need a low pressure chamber and some sort of wolfram-like wire to start splitting the hydrogen atoms apart and take the heat(energy) that is released when the molecular bonds brake apart
so you still need a hydrogen generator if i understand correctly, or just get a tank of hydrogen and burn the thing. very good option

looking forward for the college to end so i can start working home at the workshop on these things!

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