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PostPosted: Jan 12th, '09, 20:43 
D&M.... deep and meaningful Cyara :shock: :lol:

Greyman... that ones got me beat as well ... ???? :dontknow:


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WHOA, HEAVY STUFF!



Ok now it looks like you are baiting Steve into this :lol: (BIG SMILES HERE)



sorry ...I had to larf....the first stages of paranoia... thinking its about you lol............oops sorry my alfoil hat just fell off


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PostPosted: Jan 12th, '09, 20:53 
Seriously, this cant be healthy.
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secret 7 and thanks Rupe :wink:


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Thanks. Curiosity satisfied.... for now anyway! :D


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PostPosted: Jan 12th, '09, 22:13 
Seriously, this cant be healthy.
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chelle you might be interested in this link
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written back in 1991


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chelle you might be interested in this link
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written back in 1991

Fascinating read C1. Long but worthwhile. Some of the stuff was news to me.... More pieces to the puzzle but definitely the same puzzle....
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We will now talk about something referred to, on your planet, as 'System 2000', which is a Global Creditors Unilateral plan. This plan went into effect somewhere about the early 1970s. At that time a pentagon official and several other officials visited Nigeria. They went to the Prime Minister and paid him fifty million dollars ($50 million) to raise the price of his oil to more than double. Nigerian oil is 'light crude' of quality such that it is almost pure enough to burn immediately, without distillation, in automobiles. This type of oil sets the price of oil for the entire world. The $50 million was cash across the board with no repayment requirements if Nigeria would double the price of light crude.

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At this point, let us bring the Arabs into this scenario. This will also bring in the Trilateral Commission - that also includes Mr. Bush. It was now time to bring pressure and persuasion to OPEC. What most of you Americans do not remember is that the United States of America IS A MEMBER OF OPEC.

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PUNISHING TEXAS

I will hereby digress to a story from Dharma's earth home state - Texas - most of you have heard of it. Let us go back some years (not too many) to jog some memories. Do you remember someone named John Connelly, who was governor of Texas? Do you recall that he was also in the vehicle and was injured during John Kennedy's assassination? Well, Mr. Connelly was also Under Secretary of the Treasury - he was a lot of things and titles. These ones with Mr. Connelly did a most fascinating thing - they planned to implement a new currency for the State of Texas. You see, Texas is a part of the Union only through a renewable 'treaty'. The treaty is automatically renewed every year, but it isn't necessary that it be renewed. That means, friends, that the U.S. only has a treaty with Texas to keep it in the union of states. It was not voted in as were your other states.

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When one attempts to interfere with the plans of the international bankers, you can see what the results can be. The Hunt brothers were working directly with the Shah of Iran, on the above plan. Immediately thereafter one of the Texas bankers was killed, the Shah of Iran deposed, and the Hunt brothers were forced into bankruptcy.

There are many ways the international bankers can get revenge on ones who attempt interference with their overall plan; through murder, or you might well be placed into a mental institution and locked away permanently, or you can have trumped up charges brought against you whereby you are locked away indefinitely in prison. This latter has also happened to numerous ones in the 'UFO' investigation circles who find and bring forth truth.
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It is exactly what happened to Colonel Wendelle Stevens. Colonel Stevens probably has investigated more UFO incidents than any other individual. Further, an assassination plot was arranged and attempted while Colonel Stevens was incarcerated. Strangely, the perpetrator, who dressed as a religious leader, was caught in the act, turned over to the FBI, and has never been heard from again. So be it.
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THE SHAH'S DEATH

If you will recall, the Shah of Iran was in perfect health when he was deposed and departed Iran. He was only declared to be sick after he reached the United States. You were told he was being held in 'protective' custody at a military base. There, you were also told, he was being treated for his illness - which was not present at the time of his arrival. He died anyway, didn't he? Face it - his death was planned and the murder executed.
Didn't know...
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THE HOSTAGE STORY

You can get verification of these little stories from Senator John Hansen of you own government. I am going to speak of Iran and your people who were taken hostage. I doubt many of you have heard the truth of the matter.

Senator Hansen was in the House of Representatives in Washington, D.C. He knew what was happening in Iran and requested permission to go to Iran and investigate. Congress refused. Mr. Hansen then purchased his own private airline ticket and proceeded to Iran anyway.

When Senator Hansen arrived, the one called Khomeni proffered an audience. Guess what Khomeni said? He said, 'We don't want these hostages, certainly not any more than you want us to have them'. 'As a matter of fact," Khomeni continued; 'I'd like to give you these hostages, at least half of them anyway, and you can take them home with you tomorrow morning. That is, Mr. Hansen, if you will promise to begin an investigation into the relationship between the Shah of Iran, Chase Manhatten Bank, Mr. Henry Kissinger and your President Carter.'

At this point, Senator Hansen was most delighted. He rushed to call back to the U.S. to someone who could give authorization and said 'Hey, I can bring half of the hostages home tomorrow. How shall I arrange it?' The person on the other end of the line said, 'Well, I will call you back tomorrow and let you know.' Now please guess what happened on the following morning? When the call was placed back to Mr. Hansen, he was told the following, 'Get yourself on the next airplane coming to America. Come home immediately. Do not bring hostages. Do not do any negotiating. You have no right to speak the part of the Congress of the United States of America even if you are a congressman. Get home immediately with no further discourse.'

Here is what he found upon his return to Washington - that the incident was entered into the Congressional record. Further he found that President Carter knew the hostages were going to be taken and further - knew that they were there for a reason and he was not to interfere. Now, you ones get yourself ready for a bomb if you have not already had access to this expose. The release of the hostages in Iran was negotiated by a negotiator of Chase Manhattan Bank in New York, U.S.A. All outside overt and covert attempts to gain release was a facade. Ask any marine who was involved in the military efforts thereof.

Is it really any wonder to you ones that Iran is all ticked off at you today? Those hostages, and America, were held in terror while bankers got the Shah's money safely into their banks before the Shah was killed and then, in turn, got much of the money belonging to Iran. A pretty wicked way to get Iran's money into the Chase Manhattan Bank to it could remain solvent and be one of the wealthiest institutions in the entire world.
:shock: Makes you wonder less at the Muslim tirades against the West. So easy to generate strife and misunderstanding between 2 parties... and all carefully set up to bring gain from both sides. Diabolical.... Just plain evil.

Been going on a long time. :(


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Let us speak a bit about Mr. Marcos who was recently deposed from the Phillipines. This is most typical, friends, so watch the hands closely. A representative of the international bankers' bank went to those ones and said, 'Mr. Marcos, we will forgive all of your loans. You cannot pay them back, you cannot pay back the interest, you can't pay back the principal, but, we would like to make you a bargain. We will just forgive the loans.'

Digress time: remember, who did that money belong to that they loaned out to these third world places? It was not the bankers'. Well, of course, it was all that Arab money, because of the higher prices that the people all over the world had paid. So, back to what the bankers say, 'We'll just forgive your loans, the principal and the interest and you never have to pay it back - IF (ALWAYS THE IF). The 'if' goes about as follows: You have to do away with your national currency, whatever it is. The dollar will be your currency basis of value. You will be set up with a type of debit card system instead of the usual currency system. Then, too, you must give us perpetual rights to all of the natural resources in your country.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WAS DONE TO BRAZIL TO ACQUIRE THE AMAZON BASIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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It has, however, been prophesied since the beginning of your world that these things would come to pass. This statement is not to give you negative feelings. This is to tell you that you are IN the time of evolution of your planet where these things are now coming to be.

I go through all this that you might recognize the signs which are all around you. The time, in your perception of time, is fleeting. The 'time' we call sequence of events - is fleeting. We have much to do and we are here and available to assist you ones of God and the children of your planet called Earth Terra. You are a sister planet to we of the Pleiades. Many of our ones walk among you. There are many duties and jobs that must now be finished.

He supposed to be some sort of alien or something?

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We come in love and we can see farther than you. We have access to all records, so we can see and know. We can give assistance if we are so petitioned. And you might ask, 'Why would you ones do that?' Because Father God the Totality, the Light which is your Source and My Source loved you enough to send forth His Celestial Son, before us. We now serve that same 'Son' who is our Commander and act in His service.

Serving a very different God - Father and Son - to me. None of this stuff gels with me.

Still the political stuff was really interesting. A very familiar pattern but in a different time bracket. The predicitons about the demise of the Arabs didn't happen at that time as expected. I am very interested to see what happens now.

Long but fascinating read. :D


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I only have one real hope left. Everyone needs to find their best way to prepare. Really believe bad things are coming.

If bible prophesy is correct, no one will survive unless God intervenes and the bible says it like that (almost a direct quote)- how do you prepare for something like that????
That same question has been plaguing me for over 15 years. This is more than a matter of government control, this the masses of people going berzerk.


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Serving a very different God - Father and Son - to me. None of this stuff gels with me.

I don't agree with everything he says either- Pleadies? Give me a break. But there is a reason for the Father and Son thing or else why would the Jews wait for a messiah? If the Son had no power, how could he forgive our sins? Besides, there is another reason. One of the things that I was interested was continuity between the two primary books of the bible- the old testiment which the Jews study and the new testiment which converted the Jewish religion into Christianity. The old testiment states that no one can be judged without two witnesses and that includes us in the End of Days- Jesus is the second judge and that makes the two books consistent.


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Agree about people going beserk. Is like science fiction.... and so shocking as it unfolds I struggle with it too. Without Bible prophesy constantly being fulfilled I would not be willing to even consider it. It is all a kind of evil madness that gets worse as the "lease" runs out.

Bible prophecy says some will escape...........

Many believe that the true believers in the Church will escape...not nominal pew-warmers.... but those with a real relationship with Jesus Christ. This is to be a great catching away of believers before the Tribulation. The Bible speaks of it happening in the twinkling of an eye and it has been given the name The Rapture. People en-masse just disappearing. I believe this........ and it is my only hope in all this. The trap has been long and too smartly set. But warnings have been from the time just after Christ died. Revelations was written by one of His disciples... John.... when imprisoned on the isle of Patmos. It just makes more and more sense to us as these times unfold.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQy_e_hG ... re=related There are 3 videos.

Some believe that this Rapture is going to be sold to those left behind as an alien-snatching and "cleansing" of the earth. Even alien-snatching insurance is now on offer. I do wonder how that is supposed to help....

Those who come to believe during this great tribulation time will probably have to die for their faith. Only one fourth of mankind will survive this time... so some will survive this time of horror. I have no idea all that it will take of a person to manage to survive this.

I think that there is all this warning not to frighten us but to make us really evaluate truth and seek it out in time. God wants us to know what is coming so that He can keep us from it. Going through persecution has been common for the Church but this will be something quite different: A time of judgement.


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Serving a very different God - Father and Son - to me. None of this stuff gels with me.

I don't agree with everything he says either- Pleadies? Give me a break. But there is a reason for the Father and Son thing or else why would the Jews wait for a messiah? If the Son had no power, how could he forgive our sins? Besides, there is another reason. One of the things that I was interested was continuity between the two primary books of the bible- the old testiment which the Jews study and the new testiment which converted the Jewish religion into Christianity. The old testiment states that no one can be judged without two witnesses and that includes us in the End of Days- Jesus is the second judge and that makes the two books consistent.

The best way to bring a great deception is to have enough truth to give it a sense of authenticity. We are urged to test everything very carefully......

The best way to be an enemy is to make everyone believe you do not exist. Many scoff at the idea of someone called Satan/Lucifer/... soon to be called Anti-Christ. He is also said to mask himself as an Angel of Light .....

So the pattern often is to weave similarities to the truth in many different ways to crowd and confuse the simplicity of God's Word. I take that as my standard alone. Everything else must be proved against it. Without a standard nothing makes sense. As it says in Romans 3... "Let God be true, and every man a liar"

The Old Testament (Covenant) and the New Testament (Covenant) confirm each other. The first brought the law. Without the law man could not see that he had sinned.... no conception of sin and a Holy God. That is what the 10 commandments do. Show us we have all sinned. But that was not enough.........that man should see himself a sinner..... for God wanted restoration of fellowship with His creation. When man understood he sinned and then came to understand he was unable to be holy in and of himself then the New Testament kicked in... Jesus Christ came to do what we could not do and fulfilled the requirements of the law so that in Him we could be redeemed and made new creations in Christ. It is like me standing in the dock and Jesus Christ is my Judge. He finds me guilty of sin and God has said all who sin must die. So He proclaims I must die. And then He comes down and replaces me in the dock and says that He will die in my place instead. The righteous requirements of the law must be fulfilled... but His greater love must be fulfilled too.... and it was in Jesus Christ.

When Adam gave away his authority over the earth in the garden.....(Old Testament) ... Christ.... called the second Adam in the New Testament.... won it back.

When Abraham (OT) was willing to give his son Isaac.... and came into covenant with Jehovah... a blood covenant.... then that gave God legal right to give His Son to die. (NT)

The types and shadows are many from OT to NT..............


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I really find it disturbing that the religious sects are actually expecting bad things to happen and instead of doing things about them (like nuclear proliferation) will be rejoicing upon atrocities happening.

It really irritates me, especially because living in the US I can watch mainstream news feeds and just pick out all sorts of garbage that is being spun simply to curb public opinion and keep us righteous in our own eyes.

The last 8 years of our govermental dealings is truely telling. If the religious right doesn't pull their head out of their arses pretty soon we will experience hell on earth and I'm not 100% positive that your "saviour" is going to bail you out. Evil wins when good men doing nothing.

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Well, I don't put much stock in conspiracy theories.

However, I do put stock in what I see going on around me and things I learn by reading articles, watching the news, etc.

It's been being said for a looong time that we are killing our planet. If people had listened 30 years ago we wouldn't be in the position we're in now. We're all already aware of the "Carbon Footprint" and the effects that carbon is having on the environment. I'm a firm believer that the reason PV didn't take off the way it should have in the 70's was because of the energy lobby folks in Washington (oil & coal). An example of "big business" and it's involvement in politics. It's all about money.

Then you have the "small farmer" who was put out of business by large "corporate" farms. These corporate farms use tons of pesiticides and treated seeds. It is now believed that the farms are contributing to what is called "CCD" (or Colony Collapse Disorder) which is the demise/disappearance of colonies of bee's. Without bees to pollinate certain fruits and vegtables, crops will suffer. There has been a steady decline in bee colonies since 1986. Some beekeepers have suffered as much as 90% loss of colonies since last fall. Another example of "big business" and the "all about money" mindset.

Now we have "gestapo" type actions against American citizens. Whether it's over food or just some government organization who "has a right" because someone called and said so and so was doing such and such. No search warrants or anything, just walk onto your property and start snapping pictures.

Then there's the whole "eavesdropping" issue where Bush authorized the NSA to monitor international communications and e-mails of people in the United States. Of course, "in the interest of national security" no details will ever be divulged with regards to this whole debacle.

With all the things we DO know are happening makes you wonder what we DON'T know about! :shock:

I had been wondering about using aquaponics and helping the hungry. But with everything going on, it makes me wonder if jumping through all the "hoops" would be worth it. :?

I just don't know anymore. With all the 2012 talk and everything that's going on, economic collapse of so many governments, natural disasters unseen in written human history ..... All I can say is it's scary as hell.


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I just don't know anymore. With all the 2012 talk and everything that's going on, economic collapse of so many governments, natural disasters unseen in written human history ..... All I can say is it's scary as hell.

How can I give you calm when I helped to make you fearful? There has always been something catastrophic in all of history of mankind- how did the Incas feel when their demi-gods (half-human, half-horse aka Spaniards) caused their destruction? Or when the Great Wall of China was finally breached by the fierce Mongols? Or the world at war not once but twice so far?
The only advise that I can give you is the same that was given to me- "Be prepared". The only common sense thing that you can do is do what you can and be the best that you can with what you have.


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