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+1 DDM.

An added thought is that I think we are already far gone in terms of being monitored to quite a petty degree. The technology is long-gone in place to have the capacity to store information and build up files on everyone... readily available should someone transgress even simple commercial procedures laid out in legislation to protect some large controlling body......... just as you describe.

I know there is a way through. I have a real trust that it is so. A trust that we will be given wisdom when needed at each stage.

For now.....Being debt free is a first essential. I am deliberately going without those luxuries I thought nothing of buying before in order to free myself from credit. And then self-suffiiciency to whatever degree can be managed. Putting money into this.... turning it into something sustainable.

Even if my interpretation of all this that we read of and see on the news turns out to be just cry-wolf .... I have absolutely no confidence that that could be so.... but even if it were...... this is still a winning plan. I don't want to pay the high prices at the till anymore. I would prefer to provide my own fuel and energy anyway. I love the sense of increasing autonomy.... And wouldn't give it up even if all these strange happenings just went away.


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A long read......but..... don't need PhD to understand it.

The meltdown and the bailout
why, how, and what they mean

By John Silveira

To understand how the recent meltdown and bailout came about, you have to know what brought them on. According to some, there are PhDs who have problems grasping what happened. I don't know if that's true, but I don't think it has to be made that difficult.

If you're unfamiliar with some of the terms and the entities that are spoken of when discussing the issue, let's start here:

subprime - This refers to borrowers with income levels that are too low, or who made extremely small down payments when buying a home (or no down payments at all), or have poor credit histories, or shaky employment (or none at all). They're the kind of borrowers traditional bankers do not want. Hence, they're less than prime.

Fannie Mae - the Federal National Mortgage Association founded in 1938 under FDR, but made a "private" corporation in 1968, under Lyndon Johnson, as a Government Sponsored Enterprise (GSE). What you have to know about Fannie is that it's a quasi-government enterprise and that it doesn't grant mortgages. It buys mortgages from banks and other lending institutions, thereby creating a fluid "mortgage market." This is thought to be important for ensuring the availability of money for mortgages.

Freddie Mac - Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation, another GSE. Other institutions couldn't compete with Fannie, so the government "invented" Freddie to compete with it.

Something else you must know about Fannie and Freddie is that they are the only two corporations in the Fortune 500 that, by government "regulation," do not have to make their accounting public to either the public or investors. This would eventually create problems.

You should also understand that in the "old days," when you got a mortgage it was almost always through a local bank. The bank loaned out the depositors' money and charged the mortgager interest. The bank held the "paper" or deed to the property and took the risk. It then used the interest paid against the mortgage to pay the depositors interest on their savings and took a portion of it to run the bank and make a profit. It worked.

But, nowadays, the bank is more likely to sell your mortgage and take the money it receives and loan it out, again. To whom is the mortgage sold? Often, it's Fannie or Freddie.

Under the old arrangement the local bank was responsible and accountable and the type of meltdown we so recently witnessed could not have happened.

Seeds of the meltdown

The seeds of the meltdown and bailout were planted with the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA) of 1977, passed into law under Jimmy Carter. The intent of the CRA was to ensure banks gave housing loans to low-income families. The Act wasn't just to encourage the banks, it actually created penalties with stiff fines for banks that didn't commit to making those loans, even if the bankers were convinced those loans were risky.

On the heels of the Act's passing came activist groups, such as the Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now (ACORN) which began to ensure-and often bully-banks into making nontraditional loans. If banks didn't comply, the activists took them to court contending the loans were denied because of racist policies, not sound financial policies. The result was that banks, to avoid harassment and fines, began to lower credit standards-everywhere. They began granting mortgages to subprime borrowers.

Then, in 1993, under Bill Clinton, Fannie and Freddie were directed to increase the number of subprime loans they were carrying. Though there was initially some resistance, legislation was passed by a Republican-controlled Congress so the loans were ultimately guaranteed by...are you ready...you and me, the taxpayers. With pressure from regulators and the guarantee the taxpayers would bail them out, Fannie and Freddie understandably gave in and bought even more of these mortgages.

Finally, just months before Clinton left office, Fannie and Freddie were told they had to increase the number of subprime loans until they equalled half of what they carried in their portfolios. No prudent lender would have taken these risks, but Clinton felt Fannie and Freddie, both GSEs and both backed by the taxpayer, could "afford" to.

By 2004, many lending institutions realized Fannie and Freddie would buy up these mortgages, so they too could afford to grant these risky loans and "sell" them, along with their risks, to Fannie and Freddie. Hey, it wasn't just legal, it was what the Congress and community activists wanted. In all fairness, although the problem originated with Democratic Party policies, when the Republicans had a chance to correct it...well, they weren't going to be the bad guys who turned off the mortgage spigot.

In 2001, and now in control of both the Congress and the White House, many Republicans pretended that the CRA, Fannie, and Freddie were not problems just as the Democrats had done before them. Part of the reason seems to be that many Republicans, just as were many Democrats, were taking substantial campaign contributions from the two GSEs, and there was also the danger at that time that if you spoke out against the lending practices that today we know were unsound, you would be vilified by the press and castigated by community groups-accused of being anti-poor, racist, or both. It was better to lay low, ignore the problem, and hope it would go away. And if it didn't go away, you hoped at least you wouldn't get blamed.

Housing takes off

The inevitable result of "easy" mortgages was that developers, conventional lending institutions, and borrowers started having a field day. Developers rushed to build, banks were eager to make loans to both the developers and home buyers, and high-risk borrowers were eager to get in on the "American Dream" of home ownership.

Increased demand in housing made the cost of houses rise faster than ever and also created the illusion that the price of housing had nowhere to go but up and would continue no matter how fast it was rising-or how high it got.

Remember I said banks used to hold your mortgage? It's different, today. Nowadays the institutions originating the loans don't have to keep them. Banks and other lending institutions were now more willing to grant mortgages when they could quickly get rid of them, along with their risks. This is where the CRA met Fannie and Freddie and disaster came looming.

Buyers of the mortgages resold them. They bundled them together and each bundle is now called a mortgage backed security (MBS). Investment firms in turn bought these MBSs, pooled the mortgages from them, then "graded" and separated them into what are called "tranches." Tranche is just a French word meaning "slice." Some "slices" were the really good mortgages, owed by people you could expect to pay them off. Other slices were not so good and got a lower grade and so on down the line. The really good tranches paid very low returns because they carried the least risk. Lesser grades paid higher returns because they carried more risk. These graded tranches were called collateralized mortgage obligations, or CMOs, and they were sold as investments to pension plans, life insurance companies, investment firms, and others who bought them up because they're supposed to be safe investments and they were backed by you and me. And what did the financial institutions
who sold these CMOs do with the funds they got from selling them? They used them to make loans for even more subprimes mortgages.

This availability of more mortgage money, of course, drove housing prices even higher. It seemed like the perfect plan to make everyone rich and happy-as long as the housing market didn't tank. But now many pension plans, insurance companies, and other financial institutions that had invested heavily in the MBSs and CMOs began to depend on the worst part of the economy: the subprime borrowers-people with shaky credit and living in overpriced houses. If those people stopped paying their mortgages, the whole system was going to be in danger.

What caused the meltdown?

And the price of housing was the proverbial fly in the ointment. From about 1980 until 2001, median housing costs had averaged between 2.9 and 3.1 times the median household income. By 2006 it had gone up to a high of 4.0 times the median household income. This meant that, in traditional markets, housing was now overpriced. Yet, people-borrowers, banks, Fannie, Freddie, and Congress-wanted to believe it still had nowhere to go but up. So, new housing starts, house refinancing, and the number of subprime loans all increased and demand made the "values" keep climbing. But like any other commodity, housing has no intrinsic value, i.e., you can only get for a product what another person is willing to pay, and new buyers began getting priced out of the market. Suddenly, buyers were in short supply. When that happens, prices drop-and they did. As a result, many homeowners suddenly discovered:

* they owed more on their mortgages than their houses were worth

* there was no equity in their houses, so they couldn't refinance

* many who had taken the mortgages or refinancing at "teaser" rates found they couldn't make their new, larger payments and, with their houses worth less than they paid for them, they couldn't refinance them to get a fixed rate, and they couldn't sell them without losing money.

The net result was that, predictably, the housing bubble burst and people began to default on their mortgages.

When too many people started defaulting on their mortgages-and mortgages were the very heart of these CMOs-no one any longer knew how much the CMOs were really worth. And because so many institutions, such as Lehman Brothers, Washington Mutual, and others including pension plans, insurance companies, had large investments in the CMOs, no one knew, anymore, what those institutions were worth. The result was that the stock values of the institutions began dropping. At the same time, no one wanted to give credit to those institutions because they had started looking like bad credit risks. In other words, those institutions were beginning to look like subprime borrowers themselves. It's that simple.

Now, involved in this were also credit insurers who were supposed to cover the CMOs if they went bad. But credit insurance is like hurricane insurance. It's only viable if it's a payout here and a payout there. But, when there are too many claimants in a hurricane, the insurer can't pay off. And that's what happened in the credit industry. The number of borrowers defaulting were like a massive hurricane moving through the financial markets. The credit insurers went broke trying to cover the bad debts, and markets began to free-fall.

Could it have been prevented?

Not everyone was blind to the dangers of subprime lending. As early as 2000 there were articles in financial publications such as the Wall Street Journal forecasting the dangers many saw on the horizon. And just a few years later the Republicans in the Senate sponsored the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005 (S. 190), which would have capped the subprime holdings of Fannie and Freddie in an attempt to reduce those dangers. But it never made it to the Senate floor for a vote of the whole Senate because the Democratic minority found enough Republicans, at least some of whom were indebted to Fannie and Freddie, to block the vote. So it died and Freddie and Fannie went on with business as usual.

Had the bill come to a vote, and had it passed, would it have saved us from this mess? Would blocking more subprime mortgages and forcing the government-controlled Fannie and Freddie to divest themselves of many of them so they weren't carrying the burden of so much bad debt have stopped the meltdown? There are many who believe it would have. Had Fannie and Freddie stopped buying up the subprime loans, the subprime market would have started drying up and fewer irresponsible loans would have been made. But we can't go back in time to find that out. However, it was one of the last best hopes.

Then, in 2006, a similar bill to bring Fannie and Freddie under control was introduced but blocked by what was now a Democratic majority on the Committee. Perhaps their hearts were in the right place and the Democrats were not going to give up their dreams of affordable housing for the poor, no matter how unrealistic it was.

In the meantime, from 2005 to 2007, Fannie and Freddie added over a trillion dollars in bad mortgages to their portfolios. But, come 2007, the housing bubble was beginning to pop and the entire Senate was coming around to the fact that the two GSEs were a problem. But it was too late. Come January 2008, four percent of the subprime mortgages were in default and the delinquency rate was rising every day. This meant the CMOs continued dropping in value and the institutions holding them were beginning to falter. The whole stock market began to falter. By September the Dow-Jones Industrial Average had plunged over 3,000 points and several of the largest investment firms that were holding the subprime debt in the form of securities, such as Lehman Brothers, went into bankruptcy while others, such as Washington Mutual, were gobbled up by competitors.

This has been described as a failure of the free-market system and leaders from both parties, including John McCain and Barack Obama, made the charge that the meltdown came about because of corporate greed. Both refused to acknowledge that the seeds of the meltdown began in Washington, D.C., and, when measures could have been implemented that would have started undoing the bad government decision, members of Congress got in the way.

Many congressmen have proclaimed the meltdown occurred because there wasn't enough oversight and that it was preventable-but they had fought against any changes for years.

President Bush said recently, "The market is not functioning properly." Of course it wasn't; it was being regulated by people who were trying to force markets to do things no prudent man would or should do. The regulators allowed Fannie and Freddie to operate without opening up their books, twisted them for political ends, and forced them to make unsound fiscal moves. The one thing you will not see is the Democrats admit they screwed up. The one thing you won't hear the Republicans say is that they lost their courage when they had a chance to correct it.

One of the problems, according to many market critics, is that the industry wasn't regulated enough. In truth it was regulated too much. It was manipulated by politicians. It was the push of politicians to make more risky mortgages available while allowing the two largest mortgage buyers, Fannie and Freddie, to keep their books closed to the public. The regulators were not only aware of the risky loans, they mandated them. And because Fannie and Freddie are backed by the government, they can and do take risks no private company can take and stay in business-or even escape the scrutiny of regulators. And take risks they did.

What's the bailout for?

The reason Washington said we need the bailout is to prevent the implosion of the credit markets and shore them up so there will still be a free flow of credit and stave off a full-blown depression.

The politicians are using scare tactics and they keep harking back to the Great Depression, telling us that without the bailout we're going to see another depression that will rival that one. What they don't tell you is that starting with Hoover in 1929, and then accelerating under Roosevelt, the President who followed him, the U.S. Government tried to spend its way out of the Great Depression-and failed. We not only wound up with a depression that was the longest in American history, but in 1937 we got a depression within the Great Depression. All despite Washington's fixes.

Many economists now feel that had Washington stayed out of it, not have tried to spend the country's way out, the markets would have self-corrected and what became an unfathomable depression would have been an economic downturn that would have lasted just a few years.

This bailout is just another attempt to throw money at economic trouble, and the danger is that, like the Great Depression, the problem will go on, get worse and worse, and there will be more bailouts until we do have another depression.

Quite frankly, we're hearing all this from the people who created the problem, and didn't see it coming, but who now know the "fix." Meanwhile, the free-market people had been warning us for years that what we have now was inevitable, but are members of Congress or Wall Street-types asking them for any input? No!

The purpose of the free market is to let the consumer speak directly through his money. As a result, those who serve the free market get rewarded, while those who don't get punished.

The bailout is not bailing out the American public; it's bailing out the people who caused this mess, including the politicians who had a hand in it. It isn't to save poor people with mortgages, but to save the investors who made bad choices and bought those mortgages. It is to save the stock holders who made bad investments. Half the actual bailout money goes to foreigners, most notably Arabs and the Chinese who made bad investments. But it will not make the bad mortgages good.

The bailout is punishing those who have acted responsibly while rewarding those who didn't.

We could have taken the bailout money and have paid off or paid down to manageable sizes all of the bad mortgages. But why should you and I, who pay our bills on time, have to do that? Why do we have to bail out Wall Street?

Where's the money from the bailout coming from? Actually, there is no money. Congress and the Federal Reserve are simply "creating" the money. But that extra money dilutes the money in existence-inflation. If you don't understand that inflation is really another way of taxing us, you haven't been paying attention to how government works. You're paying for the bailout.

So, what did the bailout accomplish? It pulled the butts of the creditors and investors out of the fire. In other words, people who had made bad loans and investments are the ones being saved, not the homeowners. It saves the money of foreign investors, mostly notably the Chinese and Arabs.

What would have happened without the bailout? Banks would have failed. That is, they'd have gone bankrupt. The owners of the banks, the stockholders, would have had to sell off their assets. The banks would then have new owners. And those who owe on their mortgages would still have to either pay their mortgages or be foreclosed on. That is, from the borrower's point of view, nothing would have changed.

In the meantime, housing prices would have dropped further and the irony is they would have become more affordable to the poor and to other people who previously could not afford them but had shown restraint.

Conclusion

We don't yet know if the bailout is going to work. And it most likely won't. We don't even know if there are going to be more bailouts, though there are already stirrings in Washington that there will not only be more money needed for the subprime mess, but there's already talk abut bailing out the auto industry, student loans, credit card companies, various states, and who knows who else is asking to be "saved."

But this bailout and and future bailouts are clear signals from Washington that it's okay to engage in risky economic behavior because you and I will pick up the tab when they fail. Those who get bailed out are always grateful, while those who pay for the bailout usually don't understand that they're the ones paying for it either directly through their taxes or by having their money eroded by inflation. And the politicians and bureaucrats are grateful for it because there are always strings attached to these bailouts and they aggrandize more power. This bailout is actually more socialization of the banking industry; future bailouts will be for the socialization of America, creating more centralized control of America from Washington.


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PostPosted: Jan 2nd, '09, 20:58 
:cheers: Heka... you've pulled it all together and presented it with beautiful simplicity and accuracy....

Yep ... you didn't need a PHD to see that you can't keep creating credit out of nothing without it being inflationary and that ultimately people/institutions would come to a point of realising that there wasn't any real value....

The bailout is merely to cover peoples arses.... when in fact they should be jailed... personally I'm for publically stoning the b...s to death....


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That John Silveira has it perfectly nailed. His Backwoods Home Magazine is always worth the read.


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Hi Chelle.........do you have the link to some of his writtings...read Heka's discription for what we are going through, and what is still to come,..........unreal.......


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Sure Jessy .... http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/ ... 115lw.html

Here are some other articles he offers free....http://www.backwoodshome.com/sview.html. Some stuff we see different but he is sharp and always worth the read. An interesting man.


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Ohhhhh to good.........THANKS.........gives me something to read about on this Saturday afternoon


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Well, me personally, I think that the bailout is not going to make much difference unless it affects the ones that run the system- the middle class. Roughly 50% of the U.S. population is middle class and they generate 2/3rds of the economy; the other 1/3rd is just about split evenly between wallstreet and mainstreet businesses. Most of mainstreet businesses are also owned and operated by the middle class.
The middle class has been backsliding financially ever since Bush took office and now with this current economic fiasco, the responsible homeowners and employees are getting whacked because the first thing that corporations do to cut costs, is to downsize and lay off workers; so they get added to the evergrowing unemployed labor pool and can no longer pay their mortgage and get foreclosed on, since they can't sell their home because no one is buying. I think the government and the corporations have committed the ultimate sin- they broke the back of the middle class and there is no immediate fix for that. It will take a long time for those who lost their jobs and their homes to ever recover what they have lost and a lot of these people never will.
And while an economic stimulus plan that rebuilds our infrastructure sounds great, it won't help those that need it the most- we are no longer a manufacturing industry, we are a service based industry, due to corporations being allowed to outsource our manufacturing jobs to lower wage earners all across the globe and reaping huge profits by doing so- everything for a long time has been geared towards benefiting Wallstreet only. We do not even graduate enough engineers in our country to even to be able to oversee all of these potential projects, let alone the fact that all construction projects, for government and cities, are unionized and the unions won't let go of their power and authority to let any Joe-off-the-street work for them.
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And in regards to the Nazi's as being a fanatical mostrous group, they were but they were not created in a bubble, in fact they had a lot of help- they looked at our Eugenics laws (sterlization and castration of the indigent, infirm, permiscious and the criminal) that were on our California and other state law books and applied them to the Jewish people; they just took it to the first generation, instead of the second generation- but with the same results- extermination. In regards to tracking the Jewish people down, the Nazis used the precursor to the computer- the Holerith punch card developed by IBM- yes, one of our corporations was complicit with the Nazis. In fact, IBM leased the equipment and serviced it for them, even if it was right at the concentration camps. A punch card machine is in the Holocaust Museum and probably the single biggest cause of so many deaths. The Nazis used these cards in census information, registration (marriage, birth, death) and ancestral tracing programs. Then they used these same cards to track asset confiscation, ghettoization, deportation, enslaved labor, and how they were annilated- bullet, gas chamber, natural death, and so forth- everything had a punched number.
I don't even think the Swiss banks put up any complaint, even when some of the gold that they received looked like tooth fillings and crowns.
The other thing that people seem to ignore is that the Nazis were the political power in control- no different that any other govenment.
Do you really think that our Amercian government is any better? During WWII, American citizens- men, women, and children- were rounded up, their assets seized, their businesses shuttered- and with little more than the clothes on their back, they were sent to armed guard concentration camps. Yes, right here in America- in fact, here in California one of these concentration camps still stands. What was their horendous crimes? In fact, they never were charged of any crime, no trial, no conviction- they just happened to be Japanese, German, and Italian decendents. They lost everything, with no repiration from the govenment- most returned to their ancestral homes because of this shameful treatment and I can't blame them.
Another thing that you may not be aware of is their new weapon- it doesn't kill you, no long term affects whatsoever but when they aim it at you, it sets your skin on fire and can even penetrate protective gear. Sounds like the government has designed the perfect weapon to be used for crowd control.
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Angie, that crowd control weapon does more than set your skin on fire is also damages internal organs. It's a micro wave set at a frequency to supposedly only effect your skin. It ought to be against international law! I see you watch modern marvels also!


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Angie, that crowd control weapon does more than set your skin on fire is also damages internal organs. It's a micro wave set at a frequency to supposedly only effect your skin. It ought to be against international law! I see you watch modern marvels also!

I saw it on regular T.V.- a female reporter was doing a piece on this new technology and even took a hit from this weapon, just to see it's effects, actually twice as she tried it a second time holding a piece of plywood as a shield. Unlike the article below that states it's purpose was to disperse Iraqi crowds that may contain militant elements, what I saw made no bones that it's main purpose was for crowd control of civilians.
According to the article cited below, the weapon uses millimeter waves, microwave waves, can cause cancer, but is not suppose to affect more than 1/64th of an inch on your skin so is safe for internal organs and pacemakers but you could be right-media does not always get it right and they are less diligent in the accuracy of their reporting these days (I'm trying to be nice since the media are the ones that regurgated fabricated stories that ended up with the U.S. in Iraq looking for WMD, mobile bio-chemical labs and Iraq's links to Al-Qaeda- all of which never existed.)

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Story? ... 856&page=2

Millimeter waves are used for point-to-point communications and body imaging, among other things.


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I did no research on it just from memory of the show, I'm sure your information is more accurate, or they may have improved their original concept weapon.


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Alaskas Gull Island Oil Fields Could Power U.S. for 200 Years

By Mark Anderson

Crude oil is the real currency of the world, said Lindsey Williams at a gathering of the Midwest Concerned Citizens group in Kansas City on July 22. But Americans will never hear about huge oil and gas reserves in the United States, which, if ever tapped, would bring todays fuel prices at least as low as $1.50 per gallon and make America more energy independent.

As a Baptist missionary in the 1970s, Williams said he rubbed elbows with members of the world,s power elitewho boasted of detailed 30-year and 50-year plans to control the flow of oil and information.

A huge quantity of crude oil and natural gas exists under Gull Island, located in the waters of Prudhoe Bay in Alaska, says Williams. He cited key British Petroleum memoranda and related the statements of upper echelon oil officials who told him that Gull Island would be kept under wraps, limiting domestic supplies so Americans would someday see prices hit up to $10 a gallon at the pump.

Every issue in the world today relates to crude oil, said Williams. The U.S. occupation of Iraq and the saber rattling about attacking Iran fit into the crude oil matrix.

Iran is being targeted because it's one of several countries that want to use their own currencies for oil sales, rather than using the U.S. dollar. Williams told AFP that any country that doesn't want to play ball with the U.S. government and the financial and oil interests is, in essence, put on a hit list.

The United States, he said, learned that Iran intended to form its own bourse and not use the dollar for oil sales. Therefore, the notion that Iran is a menacing almost-nuclear country was trumped up, presented as fact via the corporate media and Iran is now in the crosshairs.

Other nations wanting more independence from U.S. meddling include Norway, Venezuela, Nigeria, Bolivia, Sweden and Russia.

The 30-year plan, which was first proposed three decades ago and is nearing fruition, included smug assurances from oil officials that the United States will triple its crude-oil usage and alternative fuels will not be allowed to gain enough ground to make a difference. They also noted that all foreign oil production will be scaled back to the United States and that Americans soon will pay $4 to $5 a gallon at the pump and could pay as much as $7 to $10 down the road.

In the early 1960s crude oil was selected as a tool of world control, Williams said, adding, What we pay at the gas pump is a form of taxation. The American consumers dependence on crude oil thus far has enabled people from foreign oil-producing nations to buy T-bills (U.S. treasury notes) in order to support the U.S. national debt and continued deficit spending. The need to support that debt puts the U.S. government in a bind, forcing Americans to remain dependent on foreign oil.

Williams, as a chaplain in 1970 when the trans-Alaskan oil pipeline was finished, ministered among the pipeline workers. However, as time passed he made a favorable impression with the top brass and was asked to improve worker-company relations. Next thing he knew, he said he was sitting at meetings of the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund and various meetings of oil executives over a three-year period.

He told AFP that the IMF-World Bank acts as a middleman between oil producing nations and refineries. In so doing, they set oil prices, he said.

The big event in that three-year period was in 1977 when an Atlantic Richfield oil executive told him, We have just drilled into the largest pool of oil in North America[and] in the world!

That pool was Gull Island. It was said that there was enough natural gas to supply America for 200 years. But to this day, not one drop of that oil has been released to American refineries, Williams said.

Williams said the executive had warned him that the Gull Island find was highly classified. Do not repeat any of this, he was told. Obviously, that warning did not stop him.

(Issue #33, August 14, 2006)


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I heard a reason given why Presidant Bush has bought land in Paraguay Angie.....

I was listening to an iTunes podacst and Lindsey Williams - a guest on the show - said that many who knew what was planned for America were getting out. He was advised by one of those he calls "the Elite" to leave too.

He wrote a book called THE ENERGY NON-CRISIS. Not sure if it is available for sale anymore because he was "advised" to stop telling certain things and had to pull it off the market to protect his family I believe.

Here is a movie in the Internet Archives where he talks of all he discovered on the Alaskan Pipeline..... http://www.archive.org/search.php?query ... illiams%22


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I dunno, I think we will hear many more people saying that there big reserves in different places. What was the other recent one, some protected wilderness area that was meant to have vast quantities of oil under it..

Statements like this seem strange:

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In the early 1960s crude oil was selected as a tool of world control, Williams said, adding, What we pay at the gas pump is a form of taxation. The American consumers dependence on crude oil thus far has enabled people from foreign oil-producing nations to buy T-bills (U.S. treasury notes) in order to support the U.S. national debt and continued deficit spending. The need to support that debt puts the U.S. government in a bind, forcing Americans to remain dependent on foreign oil.


Crude was not "selected" as a tool of world control. It became a tool of world control through our own choices of western lifestyle. His wording makes out like foreign oil rich countries got the US hooked on oil and now hold it in debt struggling under its addiction. Western society is a willing addict, we get off on the high of consumption yet aren't willing to pay the price.



He begins this video by stating that "I trust you are aware that we are being controlled in every area of our lives, even the toothbrush that you will use tonight to brush your teeth with." Oh come on, thats just playing on peoples fears. You're in total control of your own life, you don't have to brush your teeth. :)

I found this response to his video on another site:

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Either Mr. Williams is the victim of very cruel practical jokes, or he is twisting the truth to sell more books.

In this post, I will only respond to the first five minutes of the video linked in the original post.
 
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#1.  Mr. Williams claims: "The governor of Alaska stated on the Bill Maher TV show Real Time on March the 18th, 2005 there is potentially enough crude oil on the north slope of Alaska to supply the entire United States of America for 200 years. He is correct"
The transcripts from the Bill Maher don't show Gov. Murkowski saying anything like that. Gov. Murkowski said: "But this is a lot of oil, potentially, up there (ANWR). Alaska has been producing about 25% of the total crude oil produced in the United States for the last almost 30 years. If there's an abundance of oil in Anwar, it could be as much as what we have import from Saudi Arabia in 25 years. So this could be a very big thing.

#2.  He then claims PEAK Oil is a misnomer and sites massive oil discoveries in super deep Russian wells called "Kola SG3".  His errors are that he mistakenly uses the word "Kola SG3" as a term referring to a group of deep hole wells. The Kola SG3 is not a group of wells. It is the number designation referring to boreholes branching from a central hole.  The Kola being the central hole and SG3 being the deepest of the branches.

#3.  He claims the "Kola" wells were "just" drilled. Since his quote from the Governor of Alaska was dated 3/18/2005, we know the video was made after that date. The Kola borehole began in 1970 and the SG3 reached its final depth in 1989. Does a time span of 9 to 30 years justify the term "just drilled".

#4.  He calls the Kola super deep boreholes, "wells."  They are not wells as they were not meant to, nor have they ever, produced anything.  They were drilled strictly for scientific research. The most unusual thing from the project was the discover of very deep water and hydrogen gas. No oil was ever produced.  Additionally, the boreholes have been open to the scientific community for a long time and aren't a secret...the Soviets were very proud of them.  I heard about them back in '83.

#5.  He then claims there is enough natural gas on the North Slope of Alaska to supply the entire USA with natural gas for the next 200 years. He  also implies the reason we don't currently have this natural gas  is because 1 billion cubic feet of gas is pumped back into Prudue Bay Alaska every day. The reserves of natural gas in Alaska are stated as 193.831 trillion cubic feet. The USA consumes 82.626 billion cubic feet per day. So, even if we add the billion cubic feet of natural gas Mr. Williams claims is being pumped into the ground each day... Alaska still doesn't have enough natural gas to supply the entire USA for 200 years.

#6.   His implication that the 1 billion cubic feet reinjected (the correct term for "pumping it back into the ground" is "reinject") into the Prudue Bay is  a big secret and part of a conspiracy is lludicrous.  I don't know how much natural gas is reinjected, for all I know, it could be more, but it isn't part of a conspiracy. There are two possible reasons why it is reinjected.
But, first I should explain the term "Natural Gas" is generic.  While it means one thing to the consumer, in the exploration and production business it refers to a pertoleum product produced from wells. Natural gas can be "dry" meaning it is basically methane... the stuff piped into your home. Or it can be liquid natural gas (LNG).

So, what are the possible reasons for reinjecting natrual gas in Prudue Bay?
Transportation:   LNG can be very corrosive to pipelines.  So the best way to transport it is by LNG Tankers. However, for safety reasons, LNG Tankers require water depths of at least 79 feet for loading. The coast of artic Alaska are very shallow.  Special pipelines can still transport LNG, and two pipelines have been proposed, but the cost of building the special pipelines has been uneconomical untill recently.  Natural gas mimics crude oil price, so it has risen too.

Production of Crude Oil: It is very common in the oil business to reinject natural gas to enhance the recovery of crude oil. The industry term is "gas lift".  Basically, the gas is used to "lift" the oil out of the rock.  Without "gas lift", as much as 50% of the oil might not be recoverable.
BTW= the gas that is reinjected.... it is pumped back out with the oil it lifts and is reinjected again.



http://www.billmaher.com/?page_id=159
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/ftparea/wogirs/xls/ngm02vmall.xls#'Data 1'!A1
http://www.petroleumnews.com/pntruncate/297685428.shtml


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One thing to remember about these 200 year reserves... For the economy (a pyramid) to continue to function it must keep growing or it will fall apart. This combined with population growth means that every 10 years everything doubles(7% growth). What would have lasted 200 years, 10 years later could only last 100 years, and 10 more years down the road that same supply will only last 20 more years. In fact we have to discover, drill, and refine more oil in the next 25 years than has ever been used by all of humanity.


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