What is money? IS it substainable?

DanDMan

A eco village in the city.. Interesting.. As long as the neighbors never riot that will be neat.

Cyara

Local community involvement is the way to go if possible. Bater with each other. Keep the "wealth" generated locally and working locally. But not everyone sees the bigger picture. Convenience holds many wannabees captive too. Too much hard work to live sustainably!

Jensilaedi

the hard work is our own fault, we just have to be imaginative and come up with workable ideas... for me it's the money that's the problem.. I'm still living like a teenager

DanDMan

Im more impressed with the fact that they found a way to raise that much money that fast, lol..

DanDMan

Here is a great video on money from the Feds own book about money!!!!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912

Its two hours longs, but at lease give it 15 min or watch a little each day..

Dazzling Doug

Demons are just "Fallen Angels" digital or not

Cyara

The planned collapse of America
By Peter Chamberlin

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..............The government has known for decades that America is on a countdown to self-destruction. Among the elite it is common knowledge that our "global economy" must one day collapse from its own dead weight. In 1974 an intensive research project was undertaken by the Stanford Research Institute and the Charles F. Kettering Foundation for the Dept. of Education. Their final report was released as the Changing Images of Man. It was compiled by the SRI Center for the Study of Social Policy, Director Willis Harmon. This is a far-reaching investigation into how the basic nature of man might be changed. The Aquarian Conspiracy describes the implementation of their work in the real world.

The most reassuring part of "Images" is that it confirms my own conclusions about our crisis, but it is also the most disturbing part, for it confirms my worst reservations about this time.

The object of the research was the development of a plausible vision of the future in which democratic methods survive, major problems are managed successfully if not resolved, and the unfolding of the human potential continues to expand. In other words, the postulation of a "desirable future" including feasible paths to its realization . . .

The government was looking forward to a very troubling future, trying to figure out the best path through it. The plan was to find ways to shape and mold mankind into a new cultural image, complete with new ideas and ideologies, even religious ones. The root of the problem was human nature, and solution was to reshape the competing forces of daily life, in order to forge a new image of a new human nature. The researchers were brutally honest in seeking all available knowledge pertaining to their research, and in assessing the current common image of man-on-earth.

The research revealed that there were a multitude of crises that were about to intersect in America's near future. Not the least of these converging catastrophes was a rapidly approaching breakdown of both American capitalism and democracy. The collapse was a natural result of globalism and monopoly capitalism. The basic greed that powers the system eroded the American political and economic structures, exposing the foundation of immorality and unfairness that amplifies the social unrest. The Stanford researchers clearly predicted that the American economy was destined to collapse from its own dead weight. The data also showed that that economic collapse was to be accompanied by disastrous social repercussions, such as rioting and upheaval, which would lead us into a "garrison state."

The thing about this research is that this work has confirmed that our economy based on parasitic capitalism, where the small elite sits atop the heap of men and gorges on their lifeblood, is destroying the social fabric of America. This system is based on a stacked deck, where the top elite always reap the profits that are made to rise to the top through the corporate profits-based system. The research confirmed that the growing inequities of such a system were ever increasing and with them, elevated social tensions. A system based on usury and putting everyone in the "poor house" is an economic order that is guaranteed to produce a democratic revolution, whenever the misery index of the armed populace exceeds the limits that they are willing to peacefully bear, without striking back at the source of their misery...............

.................Here David Rockefeller admits media collusion with his one world plans: "We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the light of publicity during those years. But now the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supra-national sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."

Rockefeller writes on page 405 of his memoirs: "Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

Whole article is very interesting.....http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/pub ... 2715.shtml

Angie

Jensilaedi wrote:

I have a chip in my dog... it doesn't worry me, why should it?

What if you have to report to the government every time you leave your property with your dog.... and also have to pay for that intrusion. Would it concern you then? How about who would have access to know everywhere you went with your dog and who you met, if they had their chipped dog with them too. So then it doesn't only become a matter of tracking your dog, but of you and who you associate with. Would it concern you then?
NAIS, which I think should be spelt NA(Z)IS, which is exactly what the NAZIS did to the Jews, started with identiifing each person.

On another note, in regards to human chipping, see this link-
http://www.verichipcorp.com/content/sol ... 1092036751
It is about patient chipping- in their own words-
VeriChip is able to offer rapid, secure patient identification helping at-risk patients get the right treatment when needed most.

When you google the company name, you also get a list of possible uses-
VeriChip CorporationVeriChip develops, manufactures and markets customized RFID (Radio Frequency Identification) wireless systems for healthcare and corporate customers ...
www.verichipcorp.com/ - 15k - Cached - Similar pages
Infant Protection
Our Technology
Patient Identification
Contact Partners
Wander Prevention
Company
Audio & Video
The one that stands out for me is Infant Protection. When I click on that link, I get an error message that the page can't be found. Tell me, do you think we will be given a choice when even our children's DNA is being taken and stored without permission!!!! You also have to have a patented scanner to read these chips, which I'm sure will not be sold to just anyone who wants one since the scanners also program the chips, so again how will you know?

bundaberg kid

A new world order sponsored by the Rockefella's for the Rockefella's benefit,a one world government run by Americanshttp://au.youtube.com/watch?v=FR1_NI9OiXI&feature=related .....and theres heaps more on YouTube....just type new world order :wink:

Cyara

Interesting video BK. I see there are 8 in the series.

Interesting how the mace - that design on Hitler's banner - is linked to the Ancient Roman Empire and Free masonry today. I am always alerted to such links because the EU is placed over the Old Roman Empire and strongly linked to it in prophecy. The Free Mason's are said by many to have originated the Illuminati - the main protagonists of the New World Order.

Jensilaedi

Angie wrote:

Jensilaedi wrote:

I have a chip in my dog... it doesn't worry me, why should it?

What if you have to report to the government every time you leave your property with your dog.... and also have to pay for that intrusion. Would it concern you then? How about who would have access to know everywhere you went with your dog and who you met, if they had their chipped dog with them too. So then it doesn't only become a matter of tracking your dog, but of you and who you associate with. Would it concern you then?
NAIS, which I think should be spelt NA(Z)IS, which is exactly what the NAZIS did to the Jews, started with identiifing each person.

well the Nazis were an extreme violent hate against the Jews and it was an extreme situation of a very intelligent dictatorship work going on behind the scenes. so who's to say that we have the same government?
the only reason i should worry about them following my whereabouts is if I've really done anything wrong. if they use the chip as evidence in the courts of law against me for doing something, they'd be breaking their own very code of privacy and would be liable in a higher punishment than I would in any case.

So really anything bad that might happen can only be in your imagination unless you're involved in something you shouldn't be...

BatonRouge Bill

Part of Hitlers disdain for the Jews was they controled the money of the time. Industry needs the flow of money for it to work. The two fold benefit of the horrible things he did to the jews was he built a class/race hatred that polarized the populas and allowed him to free up the money. Understanding the government money was being used to pay repairations to france and others from WWI, which he quit doing and that made him more popular. All the while he was trying to get data on all desenters. That data was used against those who opposed the governments Laws. So you see even if the law is WRONG the data is there to convict you. This is why your privacy is so important. Some laws are just plain wrong and people choose not to abide by them. That not just supposed to be an option for police and government agencies.

Cyara

I agree BRB. Right and wrong can simply be a matter of ideology.
Heaven help you if you do not agree with the will of the current powers that be. You might be the most law-abiding citizen who just wants the freedom to farm his land and sell his goods.

creative1

chelle

DanDMan

Jensilaedi wrote:

the only reason i should worry about them following my whereabouts is if I've really done anything wrong.

So really anything bad that might happen can only be in your imagination unless you're involved in something you shouldn't be...

Well, its just a matter of time before something you like to do becomes illegal. I know from what I see happening in legislation and from prophecy that soon enough my religious belief will become illegal. I want all my options open when this happens. When not fitting in societies box becomes a capital offense all they have to do is look back into your tracking data and see who you really are to them; enemy or citizen.

Rights do not come from government so when its governments that starts telling you what you do and don't have the right to do it just a matter of time before it gets out of hand. What if, for example, you require vitamins or enzymes to stay healthy or you get deathly ill and all of the sudden they make vitamins illegal. Then you would have to go pay a doctor to get a inferior supplement that you will have to pay a high price for. The good citizen believes the government knows best and pays fees to all the buddies in the system. The bad citizen believes that they know what best for themselves and may take the freedom to go get natural minerals & vitamins. Now lets say someone high up really hates those twisted vitamin cult people and wants them rounded up because of the trouble they are causing and they are living to long while telling others how to be healthy. All they have to do I look back at the tracking data from implants and see who has been stopping at places which sold vitamins while it was legal then go arrest them for the sake of a better society. Yes, this is a silly example, but the idea can apply to anything. Any time rights are assumed to come from men then those rights will be controlled and taken away. The danger of tracking is that it makes it easier to control people. So yes, if you are doing something illegal you should fear tracking, but if you are an independent thinker and love freedom you also should fear tracking.

Food might have been a better example. Big corp interest seem to want to control food. Its already illegal for farmers to save and reuse patented seed, and now there is hardly a natural seed to be found. What happens when some silly little human bribes a new law into existence making the same law apply to individuals and pushes it to cover all seed? Then it is suddenly illegal to keep planting all those ap seeds you have grown each year. Now you are doing something illegal. Seems a bit paranoid no? Well there is enough real history, that can still be read, to know that stranger things have already been tried!

Im not living in fear and Im not doing anything illegal, but I do oppose any tracking or any completely digital money system because I know at some point it can only be used to control people. People who are willing to accept this for "security" from terrorist are fooling them selves. Remember the Jews were called terrorist. Laws like the patriot act are so very dangerous in their unlawful state and broad general terms. If you have a cowboy hat or a coffee maker then you fit the bill as a potential terrorist and should be treated as such having no right to trial. Yes a coffee maker; a pyrex container, a heating element and a filter. So they could say to the news station with a straight face that they busted you for possessing illegal contraband related to terrorist bomb making when all you ever did was voice a different opinion over a cup of coffee!

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