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That’s it exactly! That is like our motorcycle helmet law in Louisiana, Governor Foster, an avid motorcycle enthusiast repealed the law, and later Bumbling Blanco reinstated it. (On behalf of the insurance industry.) Obama didn’t win a filibuster proof senate so I do not think he will be able to have that homeland military force he envisions because it would take a constitutional amendment to pass such a thing. Thank goodness the Supreme Court is a little on the conservative side for now. That isn’t to say he just does it, and lets it take 10 years for it to work its way thru the court system, he’ll be out by then. Kinda like Bush's Guantonamo Bay, They are either POW's or Criminals. Takes a long time for the Supreme court to decide weather or not that shit is legal.

First I'd heard of this O'bama proposal....

What then is, or will be the role of the National Guard... and just what "justification" or urgent "need" is being touted for the proposal???

I have heard they want it privatized most likely with imported troups. The military will follow orders more but word will spread, but the national guard is not going to shoot their neighbors.

You know the real kicker? Its not lawful for the US to have an assembled military during peace time. I think thats the reason they are always creating an emergency.

The controls seem to be tightening everywhere DDM. Good to be aware.

I understood that the ruling party could elect new judges to the Supreme Court BRB. Is that correct? With places being opened new liberal judges placed. Is how abortion laws got a hold. Through the law courts and not the constitution. Is how some laws now seem in conflict with the Constitution. Please correct me if I am wrong. I just follow USA politics from a distance..... but with great interest.

Think you have discerned it correctly DDM about always creating an "emergency" to push through certain military action.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

Is it just me or... what the ell is everyone cheering about?

also, this guy says this force would be unaccountable to people or congress
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaXucD4HwU8

As Americans, you do have the ultimate and legal means to combat this move....

The "right to bear arms... and form a militia"....... AFAIK it was inserted into the constitution for exactly this reason...

To enable the populace to bear arms against the government or external force that threatens the populace...

The proposal is unconstitutional IMO... and can be legally resisted by force...

Apart from that... just what "emergency" is being touted as necessitating such a force???

WMD?

Dosnt sound very Democratic to me
Thought the National Guard was there for emergencies?

Actually just listened to the videos...

He is calling for a "civilian" force... so demand exactly that... an armed, funded civilian militia...

That fits well within the constitution....

If this "civilian homeland security force" is being Funded by the Federal government and answers only to the president and is para military, Then it is Military even if it is a mix of us civilians and paid mercinaries.

Make it a civilian militia... answerable only to the people... the senate perhaps....specifically exclude "paid" mercenaries.....

The President, Senate, Congress are supposed to answer to the people now! But seriously they are! We all know they don't, They "vote their conciences" and "do whats best for the people" My issue what that is, That is not their job, it is to do the will of the constituants, the people. And that hasn't happened in my lifetime. With the containment camps being built, and the internal spying on the people, the provisions of the 2nd ammendment could never be successful. The courts do not even acknowlege it for what it is. A movement couldn't hardly get started without being labeled homegrown terrorists and thrown in to high security govenment prisons.
And Chelle is right the sitting President chooses the supreme court justices as they die or stepdown. The senate only approves the presidents choice. The balance in the supreme court now is slightly leaning to the conservative side.
I do not see a need for this special police. We already have the FBI, ATF, and the Secret Service. They seem quite capable of abusing civil, human, individual, and privacy rights. Hopefully this won't all come to pass.
DDM, where is this law from??: Its not lawful for the US to have an assembled military during peace time. That doesn't seem practical even in our fore fathers time.

You have to look at the constitution and also read the papers men of that time wrote to understand the purpose of the wording, but basically they saw a standing army as a threat to liberty almost as bad as a foreign army. Each state was to maintain a militia which could be called up for defense. So it clearly was never their intention to have military nation like we do now.

If the care with which the Constitution was written is anything to go by I think there were many things they didn't want as they are now......

Very true, but the government has been raiding and arresting and killing people who do that. When they form a large group or get organized they get crushed, been going on for years. Besides with a army of paid kids/soldiers (who do not even understand any thing about liberty and the constitution) with tanks, planes, cruise missiles, drone planes, satellites that see you pee from outer space, what exactly would a few red necks with dear rifles be able to do, but die? No, it would take the everyone, but they would rather have tv, a nice houses, security in a job,car,house, vacation, nice toys, sex and entertainment than they would want to stand up for freedom. Further, the powers that be know just how far they can push and how to make the news read. So they just keep pushing and the lazy people keep giving ground. So now we are here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12pwkeVk7B8&feature=related And for the imignation see this use of tax dollars: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJBxdRIQx7Y&feature=related

We were founded with the right to overturn the government if it went bad, but with things like S.513 - A bill to amend title 10, United States Code, to revive previous authority on the use of the Armed Forces and the militia to address interference with State or Federal law, and for other purposes. It would be illegal to do so Gota like that last part of the phrase; and other purposes.. Thats pretty stinking vague dont you think?