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Fair enough OBO, I thought we may have been going for another debate on efficiency of air pumps.
It has been a little monotonous to read.
Frank does provide a lot of info here as above.
Sometimes he doesnt take into account what is effective for some people and keeps banging the efficiency drum.
I'm not doubting him as I dont have the knowledge on the subject to do so.
Just calling it as i saw it.


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thank you frank for your time and effort with your posts
i always take something away with me
top stuff mate .

+1 thank you Frank for taking the time and effort to put it all together for everybody to read.
Top stuff.
heka

Top stuff is the consensus from both good choice of words I thought!

Bummer, I quite fancied a bell fountain .

HUH? LOL, i thought we thought the bell fountain would be ok?

Yeh I reckon they are joy!
work fine for my pond for a few years!

thanks all for much needed support

Noeli,
Frank
Sorry, Noeli, but reactions like yours force somebody to do it even if it doesn't make him popular

I find it amazing that a subject like "quality" aeration can be discussed and that the issue of energy consumption can be not only ignored but even is considered as offensive and therefore must be suppressed with all possible means.
How can this possibly be considered as off topic?

Ah well, it seems to be my fate in life to be misinterpreted by those who lack the necessary open mindedness.

It takes two to tango
if one of them has no wish to dance, all you get is stepping on toes

That is nowhere my intention.

I like dancing

Frank

Even if both dancers want to dance a tango Frank.... it's hard to do so if one of the partners breaks into a foxtrot.....

To be fair I think you should "quote" an entire sentance/context...rather than isolating a part out of context...



I don't intend to take issue with you as such Frank.... and as others have expressed ... do appreciate your input... and your questioning of "efficiencies"...

I do however agree with Noely's comment as much as I do relate to your propositions regarding various efficiencies of pumps etc and the acheivement of good oxygenation...

In as much as what Noely, myself and others have at times said.... that cheap, easily obtained and implemented solutions that "effectively" acheive the desired outcomes...

Are at times preferred by people... either through lack of time, knowledge or ability to wade through reams of theoretical propositions...

OK... there may be some "false economies" involved in some of the implementations that people have made in the design and operation of their AP systems....

But they work... and acheive the desired outcomes... have been proven to work and acheive the desired outcomes...

And are within the reach... financially and in terms of practical implementation and understanding of the majority of AP'ers...

There are system and filtration methologies available in aquaculture operations.. particularly large scale RAS systems... that are undoubtly more "efficient"... and perhaps over time... even more cost efficient relative to scale of operation....

But the capital cost of such technologies is just beyond most backyarders... as is often the knowlegde, understanding, implementation and operation of such systems...

And then there is the question of cost of time/labour to obtain the knowledge and understanding of such systems, their implementation, monitoring and maintenance...

Even after factoring in such costs... they may still prove to be more "efficient" and cost effective over time...

But given that most AP'ers operate systems from a "hobby" perspective and can only devote spare time to maintaining them...

Then sometimes it's more important to the "average Joe/Jodie" that the solutions be "effective" rather than necessarily "efficient".


But lets not get bogged down any further in debate... not that pushing the boundaries of understanding, or excepted knowledge isn't a worthwhile exercise...

But let instead see a practical implementation of your theories Frank... please...

Build a system utilising your design theories and projections... show us how it can be done, the costs involved to build it... the costs involved to run it...
and the time taken to manage it...

If you can build a better mouse trap Frank... then I say show me... and I'll willingly implement the concepts that work more efficiently.....

As long as I can afford them...

is what I will remember from you reaction, Rupert

nothing in any of my explanations is beyond the grasp of any AP-er
it is all about simplification
and more simple solutions rather than more complicated

and cheaper both in the short as well as in the long run

greetings

Frank